Why do these types of chess players exist and whats the point?

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AngryPuffer

i also stoped taking chess.com seriously and i only play otb or with friends

the games you see me play are jokes

UpcommingGM

Different people with different playing style. I use to and sometimes still prefer calm games where positional play and understanding is required to outplay your opponent. However, I have found myself going for sharp opening and sometimes sacrificing a pawn to get some initiative recently.

Regardless of your opponent playing style, focus on the game, play your game and let your opponent play theirs. People will not always play the style your are happy to play against.

AngryPuffer

strategy

AngryPuffer

let me enjoy making these forums to see what people think about these topics, often im genuinely curious

get your head out the bog and lighten up

paper_llama
AngryPuffer wrote:

Have you guys ever encountered the people online who play the more boring, dry, passive play you have ever seen?

If my opponents always played the why I wanted, then I'd be world champion tongue.png

But that would be boring... chess is fun because your opponents don't play the way you want.

AngryPuffer

@paper_llama

i was asking why people play with their arms in front of their face and hope that their ¨unpenetrable defensive pawn pyramid ¨ and their ¨trade the board off¨ strategy will benefit them

AngryPuffer

its gotten so crazy that i have often seen these types of people

paper_llama
IronSteam1 wrote:

Hope chess is playing a move (or moves) that you know for sure is/are wrong, or losing by force - but hoping your opponent doesn't find the correct response.

Like sac'ing a piece just to make things messy, even though you know the sac is a losing

lol

Freakin' no one know what hope chess is, at least not Dan Heisman's version, which is a shame since it's a very important version. What you describe is not "hope chess" it's hopeful chess sure, but anyway...

Just more proof that Dan Heisman chose the worst name possible.

Hope chess is playing a move without knowing whether it wins or loses. You don't calculate the forcing moves, so you're just hoping you don't immediately lose next turn. That's Dan's version, and it relates to good calculation habits, and is, IMO, probably the most important concept for anyone below a 1500 OTB rating.

paper_llama
AngryPuffer wrote:

@paper_llama

i was asking why people play with their arms in front of their face and hope that their ¨unpenetrable defensive pawn pyramid ¨ and their ¨trade the board off¨ strategy will benefit them

When you're a noob cake, the decisive fight happens around move 10.

When you're a bit better the decisive fight happens around move 15.

etc

When you're a GM it's common that you wont get winning chances until the endgame, if you get any at all.

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Lots of journeymen players are upset that the decisive battle is being postponed until move 20. They feel like their opponent is cheating by playing a London and surviving that long. They feel like if the game is equal on move 18 that they've missed their chance.

Well too bad. That's part of getting better. Games stay equal longer. You have to learn ways to play for a win in the middlegame instead of making a mess and hoping your opponent misses something.

mpaetz
AngryPuffer wrote:

yall be treating chess as its a boring job that you must do 3 hours a day no matter what

chess is a game where one persons ideas goes agianst another. You are supposed to create sharp, lively games and end with checkmating. not some boring karpov middlegame in the caro kan or some exchange french middlegame

What if someone else's idea is to stymie your plan, eliminate your attacking chances, and slowly squeeze you to death like a python? How is their technique inferior to yours? If that's the idea they are opposing to your aggressiveness, see who prevails. Who are you to tell others what style they must employ? A chacun son gout.

AngryPuffer

its not

but im saying that doing nothining and hoping your oppoment blunders is not the way to play chess

paper_llama

If you lose against someone who is "doing nothing" then you're either terrible or they're doing things you don't understand.

654Psyfox

Skill issue maybe?

AngryPuffer

im not

im just mentioning it

WCPetrosian

'Boring' players are actually rather scary. They grind in the middlegame, keep on grinding in the endgame, looking for a square here and a square there, keeping tactics to a minimum and dodging any tactics along the way, and eventually win the pawn endgame because their king is better positioned - as they sit back in front of a fireplace while smoking a cigar.

AngryPuffer

these are the types of players im talking about

the mentally insane ones

AngryPuffer

they are just trolling and hope you mess up

AngryPuffer

or this person

like why the f### are you playing the exchange french??? cmon chess is supposed to be somewhat fun

WCPetrosian

The exchange is fun for white because french defense players hate it. IM Sielecki provides good instruction on how to win with it. With his instruction white will either win or draw (but sometimes lose, of course), that is also fun.

qodofjrbwjxoch
AngryPuffer wrote:

Have you guys ever encountered the people online who play the more boring, dry, passive play you have ever seen? Im talking about those people who play Nf3 agianst the alekhine, the people who play d6 agianst the ruy lopez, the people who play d3 agianst in sicilian, and so on...

i ask people here who may know about these people; what is the purpose and intent of playing this way in the game of chess, below master level the goal of the game is to outplay and checkmate your opponent, not sit around in an endgame or let your oppoment strangle you to death.... I have seen that many people who play like this let you attack them and let you gain an initiative for hopes of you messing up and failing. is hope chess the only pupose to playing like this? or do people these days not know how to play chess?

The point of a game is to win. If your opponents think that the best way to win is to play solidly rather than in a way you find fun, then more power to them for being sensible.

Don't like it? Maybe chess (or any competition really) isn't really for you.