Why Do We Fear Artificial Intelligence?

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bigpoison
BWV542 wrote:

 Others believe there exists such a thing as democracy, that is, the government by the people.


Haha.  That is almost as absurd as the moon as an observation post. 

To add to your list:  some people believe that you can do anything you put your mind to!

trysts
BWV542 wrote:
bigpoison wrote:

You're not being serious, right?  Nobody really believes that crap?  It's some joke between you and manavendra, right?  Right? You got lucky and got to be the straight-(wo)man?  Right?

People don't really believe that nonsense.  The moon's an observation post?  Yeeeeeeeeesh.

I believe more in "that crap" than in other more traditional beliefs. Some people believe there is a God, but I think THAT'S crap. Others believe Maradona IS God, I ain't kidding. Some people even believe planet Earth is a living being. Others believe there exists such a thing as democracy, that is, the government by the people. Others don't, of course.

If anyone wants to know about "that crap" just take a look at the next videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkswXVmG4xM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud49Gh9yYLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAxxRKksQ


Maradona definitely had the cheating hand of god. He should have been a poker playerLaughing But that is a really good press conference you linked! I especially like the Japan airlines flight, and the Iranian military encounter as two of the best ever documented! It's pretty much absurd that the existence of these things in the sky and in the water are ridiculed still. There is a wonderful book I'm reading that just came out last month called, "UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials go on the Record" by Leslie Kean, that I highly recommendSmile

trigs
Niven42 wrote:

Have you ever wondered how our lives would be different without the moon?  We would not have the tidal action in our oceans like it is today, we would not have eclipses (eclipses were key to ancient humans understanding the motions of the heavens), and we would experience a radically different culture than the one based on our current system of "months" (monthly estrus cycles of mammals; development of the calendar; religious and agricultural timekeeping; etc.)  Given those coincidences, along with the unusual fact that the apparent size of the Moon, as seen from the Earth, is so close to the apparent diameter of the Solar disk, it makes for a disturbing claim that the origin of the Moon cannot be ascribed to chance.


i've always had a problem with this arugment (i'm suggesting that you are referring to the intelligent design argument).

it makes absolutely no sense to me to say that everything throughout the history of the universe had to happen in such and such a specific way (for example, the big bang had to release the precise amounts of gases and in the proper proportions in order for stars to be created etc etc), and therefore god (or a higher power) must have been there to make sure all this took place properly.

the problem with this argument is that it relies on a (sort of) circular argument to reach it's proof. we are arguing from the point of view after all these specifics have already taken place. therefore, obviously if things were to exist exactly as they do now, everything in the past had to have happened exactly as it had. otherwise, we wouldn't be in the 'now' we are in. it does not follow that there would never and could never have been an alternative 'now' had the past went differently. the design argument assumes that this fact is false and does not respond to any reasons or arguments for it.

trigs
trysts wrote:
BWV542 wrote:
bigpoison wrote:

You're not being serious, right?  Nobody really believes that crap?  It's some joke between you and manavendra, right?  Right? You got lucky and got to be the straight-(wo)man?  Right?

People don't really believe that nonsense.  The moon's an observation post?  Yeeeeeeeeesh.

I believe more in "that crap" than in other more traditional beliefs. Some people believe there is a God, but I think THAT'S crap. Others believe Maradona IS God, I ain't kidding. Some people even believe planet Earth is a living being. Others believe there exists such a thing as democracy, that is, the government by the people. Others don't, of course.

If anyone wants to know about "that crap" just take a look at the next videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkswXVmG4xM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud49Gh9yYLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpHAxxRKksQ


Maradona definitely had the cheating hand of god. He should have been a poker player But that is a really good press conference you linked! I especially like the Japan airlines flight, and the Iranian military encounter as two of the best ever documented! It's pretty much absurd that the existence of these things in the sky and in the water are ridiculed still. There is a wonderful book I'm reading that just came out last month called, "UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials go on the Record" by Leslie Kean, that I highly recommend


i would say that it is absurd that the american government (and many other governments) simply deny the existence of so many objects in the sky. there are quite a few incidents where multiple people (anywhere from 10-20 people to hundreds) have seen the same objects at the same time, and the government has simply denied anything had happened.

it's also quite interesting to note that NASA has absolutely no policy on aliens and ufos. that's right, they work under absolute denial.

rooperi
trigs wrote:

it's also quite interesting to note that NASA has absolutely no policy on aliens and ufos. that's right, they work under absolute denial.


I also have no policy regarding aliens and Ufo's. Or santa, or the Easter bunny. The jury's still out on the tooth fairy.

trysts
trigs wrote:


i would say that it is absurd that the american government (and many other governments) simply deny the existence of so many objects in the sky. there are quite a few incidents where multiple people (anywhere from 10-20 people to hundreds) have seen the same objects at the same time, and the government has simply denied anything had happened.

it's also quite interesting to note that NASA has absolutely no policy on aliens and ufos. that's right, they work under absolute denial.


Yes. And the Universities mock it. Professors don't just say 'I don't know, I haven't researched the subject.' They say, 'There's nothing there'!? Very weird and annoying.

Elroch

Shockingly, the same is true of vampires and werewolves.

trigs
Elroch wrote:

Shockingly, the same is true of vampires and werewolves.


what is the same?

Elroch
trysts wrote:
trigs wrote:

it's also quite interesting to note that NASA has absolutely no policy on aliens and ufos. that's right, they work under absolute denial.


Yes. And the Universities mock it. Professors don't just say 'I don't know, I haven't researched the subject.' They say, 'There's nothing there'!? Very weird and annoying.


That's what.

trigs
Elroch wrote:
trysts wrote:
trigs wrote:

it's also quite interesting to note that NASA has absolutely no policy on aliens and ufos. that's right, they work under absolute denial.


Yes. And the Universities mock it. Professors don't just say 'I don't know, I haven't researched the subject.' They say, 'There's nothing there'!? Very weird and annoying.


That's what.


there's an organization that is supposed to research things like werewolves and vampires that is funded by the government yet that organization has no policy on record for werewolves and vampires, and on top of that university professors deny the existence of these things as well? that's news to me.

Elroch

News to me too. But that was not what I said. I inferred that NASA has absolutely no policy on vampires and werewolves and can be taken to work under absolute denial (I made no claim that NASA has a mandate to investigate such creatures). I also inferred that universities mock ideas of the undead and transmogrification with professors failing to research mythical beasts and indicating that there is nothing there.

While I have seen supposed evidence for aliens that has wondering for a while, I have never seen any evidence of a standard that would convince a scientist (or a court of law, perhaps).

rooperi
Elroch wrote:

News to me too. But that was not what I said. I inferred that NASA has absolutely no policy on vampires and werewolves and can be taken to work under absolute denial, and that universities mock ideas of the undead and transmogrification with professors failing to research mythical beasts and indicate that there is nothing there. (I made no claim that NASA has a mandate to investigate such creatures)

While I have seen supposed evidence for aliens that has wondering for a while, I have never seen any evidence of a standard that would convince a scientist (or a court of law, perhaps).


Was it Carl Sagan or Stephen Hawking who wrote about the celestial teacup?

[edit] teapot, not teacup....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Elroch

It was Bertrand Russell originally, I believe. A very sharp thinker.

manavendra
trigs wrote:
Niven42 wrote:

it makes for a disturbing claim that the origin of the Moon cannot be ascribed to chance.


i've always had a problem with this arugment (i'm suggesting that you are referring to the intelligent design argument).

it makes absolutely no sense to me to say that everything throughout the history of the universe had to happen in such and such a specific way (for example, the big bang had to release the precise amounts of gases and in the proper proportions in order for stars to be created etc etc), and therefore god (or a higher power) must have been there to make sure all this took place properly.

the problem with this argument is that it relies on a (sort of) circular argument to reach it's proof. we are arguing from the point of view after all these specifics have already taken place. therefore, obviously if things were to exist exactly as they do now, everything in the past had to have happened exactly as it had. otherwise, we wouldn't be in the 'now' we are in. it does not follow that there would never and could never have been an alternative 'now' had the past went differently. the design argument assumes that this fact is false and does not respond to any reasons or arguments for it.


In the universe, on the one hand, planets move so beautifully in order. There are no traffic signs or sign signboards! On the other hand, there is so much of chaos if you look at all the stars and galaxies moving in their own independent paths. In the same way, in quantum physics , the smallest elements are not even particles. They are both particles and waves, and a multitude of probabilities ! But there is an order in that chaos.

If the universe is chaos without any order, it’ll head towards destruction. ‘Chaos in order’ is ‘cosmic intelligence’ . Take the planet earth. Even if a single thing is missing - temperature, water, air or fire we will not be able to live on this planet earth as we live now. So this is not just an accident. The whole chaos has some order.

The whole universe has its own intelligence. It is not just power. It is energy also. There is a difference between power and energy. Power plus intelligence is energy. Energy without intelligence is power. The cosmos is not just a force. It is ‘force plus intelligence’ . It responds to your thoughts , to your prayers, to your being , because it is intelligence. The cosmos is a living energy and it has its own intelligence. You are sitting inside a living energy.

chessroboto

Is there an issue that there may be life beyond the planet earth?

manavendra
chessroboto wrote:

Is there an issue that there may be life beyond the planet earth?


Gravitation Suggests an Organic Interconnectedness in the Universe. The real issue is of proving the existence of Cosmic Intelligence for which I have proposed my Brainwave theory in Page 1 of this post. I somehow differentiate between Cosmic Intelligence and Artificial Intelligence.

chessroboto
manavendra wrote:
chessroboto wrote:

Is there an issue that there may be life beyond the planet earth?


Gravitation Suggests an Organic Interconnectedness in the Universe. The real issue is of proving the existence of Cosmic Intelligence for which I have proposed my Brainwave theory in Page 1 of this post. I somehow differentiate between Cosmic Intelligence and Artificial Intelligence.


I wonder how you will resolve your discussion when there is no known contact with alien life to the general public.

manavendra
chessroboto wrote:
manavendra wrote:
chessroboto wrote:

I wonder how you will resolve your discussion when there is no known contact with alien life to the general public.


The current research is about building a gateway of understanding and translating the brainwaves of aliens and human beings. Alas, 99.99% of the data received is noise. We are still looking out for that single WOW signal coming from Alien transmission.

chessroboto
manavendra wrote:

The current research is about building a gateway of understanding and translating the brainwaves of aliens and human beings. Alas, 99.99% of the data received is noise. We are still looking out for that single WOW signal coming from Alien transmission.


In the meantime, what is the current state of advancement of the AI for robotics?

trigs
manavendra wrote:
trigs wrote:
Niven42 wrote:

it makes for a disturbing claim that the origin of the Moon cannot be ascribed to chance.


i've always had a problem with this arugment (i'm suggesting that you are referring to the intelligent design argument).

it makes absolutely no sense to me to say that everything throughout the history of the universe had to happen in such and such a specific way (for example, the big bang had to release the precise amounts of gases and in the proper proportions in order for stars to be created etc etc), and therefore god (or a higher power) must have been there to make sure all this took place properly.

the problem with this argument is that it relies on a (sort of) circular argument to reach it's proof. we are arguing from the point of view after all these specifics have already taken place. therefore, obviously if things were to exist exactly as they do now, everything in the past had to have happened exactly as it had. otherwise, we wouldn't be in the 'now' we are in. it does not follow that there would never and could never have been an alternative 'now' had the past went differently. the design argument assumes that this fact is false and does not respond to any reasons or arguments for it.


In the universe, on the one hand, planets move so beautifully in order. There are no traffic signs or sign signboards! On the other hand, there is so much of chaos if you look at all the stars and galaxies moving in their own independent paths. In the same way, in quantum physics , the smallest elements are not even particles. They are both particles and waves, and a multitude of probabilities ! But there is an order in that chaos.

If the universe is chaos without any order, it’ll head towards destruction. ‘Chaos in order’ is ‘cosmic intelligence’ . Take the planet earth. Even if a single thing is missing - temperature, water, air or fire we will not be able to live on this planet earth as we live now. So this is not just an accident. The whole chaos has some order.

The whole universe has its own intelligence. It is not just power. It is energy also. There is a difference between power and energy. Power plus intelligence is energy. Energy without intelligence is power. The cosmos is not just a force. It is ‘force plus intelligence’ . It responds to your thoughts , to your prayers, to your being , because it is intelligence. The cosmos is a living energy and it has its own intelligence. You are sitting inside a living energy.


this is exactly my point. you're assuming that "life as we know it" is the only way life could ever have existed in this entire universe. you are also assuming that this is the only way the universe could have existed, not to mention that this is the only universe in existence at the moment. all of these are assumptions, and all of them combined are the basis for intelligent design. i'm sorry, but i can't come to conclusions in such a manner and feel that they are adequate enough for my beliefs.