Why does society hate chess?

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mpaetz skrev:

I pretty much agree with what you are saying. I just wanted to inform you, as an aside from the point of the forum, that in the US comic books were never considered a geeky/nerdy pastime for people college-age and younger. 

That is interesting. Since a lot of the whole geek/jock dictonomy with all the stereotypes seems to come from hollywoods version of high school and college. Just look at most of 80's to 00's school movies, look at comic store guy in Simpsons, look at what makes someone white and nerdy in Weird Al's white&nerdy. Reading, collecting and obsessing about super hero comics is a nerd staple and yet...

It's not the first time I hear from Americans that nothing like that was really in our school or culture at the time (80-90). So where did this stereotype came from? 

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CooloutAC wrote:

Care to retort any of my points? Or are you conceding cause you looked it up and found it all to be true....lol You can claim the world is magenta all you want. But you have nothing to back it up. 

Again, the companies you think who killed off pc gaming absolutely did not. Pc gaming died before them and they realized there is no market there anymore. Period. They are the symptom of rotten communities and poor dev choices, They are not the cause. I gave you EA Sports and baseball as an example. And since I've mentioned tigerwoods let me also say that is no longer made for the pc anymore either. Because again, there is no market for it. The pc market is so unsporting now sports games dont' even sell. The only thing that has stuck around all these years is Soccer cause alot of European countries still don't know any better yet. If we want to have fair pc gaming with online e-sports apparently we have to move to Korea cause North Americans simply don't respect it.

I won't respond to your fantasies point by point. It's a complete waste of time. Many people have discovered this wink.png. Claiming concession when people ignore your more inane musings is just a defense mechanism you use to pretend you've held your own.

As a whole, sports-related gaming was always more console oriented, Sherlock. That's because American sport video games are played by a group of people that are not too PC savvy. Easier to have a console and plug in a cartridge. It also works better for groups...you can stop shoving pizza in your mouth, turn off the post-game show, and play console with your inebriated buddies...it's so convenient.

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1.   Chess is a board game that is also considered a sport.   And I never said how sporting something is relates to how popular an activity is.   We are talking about sports specifically,  and I feel emphasizing the more sporting aspects of chess will make it more popular.   Many chess players like AKANemo who just started taking poker lessons and competing,  will literally tell you its not even gambling and is based on skill.   Its also shown on espn.   I personally don't consider anything with luck by design in any aspect of the game design as sporting, because it is not affected by an excercised skill but that is my personal opinion.   Many would disagree with me.  So this was a poor example to try and support your point.  

 

2.  And maybe thats what you don't understand.   THere are no friends or family or people in the park to play with for most people.   THere is only online gaming.    To play actual real OTB chess is almost like trying to play golf or tennis.  Its exclusive and costs money.

3.  It never was in the USA bud.   Everyone read comic books,  there are literally rappers that name themselves after them older then me and I'm in my 40s.  And it was never ever seen as something that was considered snobby and exclusive.

4.   That is literally why online PC gaming have died off the past 15 years.   The only thing popular by my old man standards are LoL and Fortnite.   One company does everything they can to endure fair play in a very strict way with the best mmr in gaming history.  Another set a precedent of suing people for cheating even suing their parents if the kid is too young to sue.  The effect and even the perception of them trying to make things fair imo is a big reason those games are so popular in NA.

All my family and friends went back to consoles years ago due to rampant cheating.   Many video game companies like ea sports themselves abandoned the pc starting in 2005 and almost fully in 2008.   The online console gaming is starting to go in the same direction.     The only reason you see these high twitch numbers for alot of e-sports,  is because of the asian countries like South korea and Japan.    Where they will literally jail 17 year olds for cheating.   Where they respect e-sports as much as Europeans and North Americans respect football.    Chess communities don't even respect their own game let alone e-sports in general.

  1. Stop rambling. It was you who included gamling as explanation for poker. Poker is popular, people both watch and play poker and yet it is not sporting. So your point that society hate chess because it's not "sporting" hold no weight since there are a lot of activities which are not "sporting" and yet are popular.
  2. Sounds like a "you" problem. I have nobody to play basket with and yet most people I know have a chess board and could play a game or two. So it's just as exclusive as any other activity. You do need to have a ball and a basket for your basketball, in chess a board and a table is enough. And most clubs are cheap.
  3. Sure thing, and American pop culture call comic books nerdy just for fun? 
  4. PC gaming is not dying and is much better now than 15 years ago. You're completly wrong about everything you just wrote here. And here a picture about pc gaming:
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CooloutAC wrote:

They you simply concede and you are only fooling yourself.   Ignoring my points and deflecting ot personal attacks or other topics is by definition conceding.

Again,  those companies did not kill off pc gaming.   They simply realized there was no market for pc gaming and are simply a symptom of that.   I gave you an example with ea-sports starting as way back as 2005 with baseball.   The companies claimed it was due to pirating,  but imo it was due to rampant cheating that killed off the playerbases.   LoL and Fortnite are popular in NA by my decade old standards  because those are two companies to take fair play and competitive matches very seriously and they have a core community that encourages them.

North Americans and Europeans simply don't respect e-sports like they do football.   Only countries like Japan and South Korea treat them with respect.  And when you have a chess community that does not even respect its own game themselves,  Society sure as hell is not going to respect it.

You are incorrect, and your own biased experiences around online cheating (I can just imagine you swearing up a storm when you got wrecked) are not a basis for an informed opinion.

It's well established how EA has screwed up the industry.

Heck, there's a standalone Wikipedia entry for it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Electronic_Arts

https://screenrant.com/video-game-franchises-ea-ruined/

https://heavy.com/games/2017/10/studios-ea-has-killed-visceral-games/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141205/05574329334/ea-admits-that-gobbling-up-talented-studios-then-ruining-them-isnt-working-out-so-well.shtml

P.S.  Your constant unilateral declarations of people conceding just make you look insecure...you realize this, right?

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mpaetz skrev:

I pretty much agree with what you are saying. I just wanted to inform you, as an aside from the point of the forum, that in the US comic books were never considered a geeky/nerdy pastime for people college-age and younger. 

That is interesting. Since a lot of the whole geek/jock dictonomy with all the stereotypes seems to come from hollywoods version of high school and college. Just look at most of 80's to 00's school movies, look at comic store guy in Simpsons, look at what makes someone white and nerdy in Weird Al's white&nerdy. Reading, collecting and obsessing about super hero comics is a nerd staple and yet...

It's not the first time I hear from Americans that nothing like that was really in our school or culture at the time (80-90). So where did this stereotype came from? 

     I mentioned that those who carry on their comic-book fandom into adulthood are indeed considered to be a bit peculiar. The fictional characters you mention fall into this category. Their oddity is one thing that makes them ripe for lampooning.

     Of course Hollywood cannot be taken to represent American reality. Despite what you may see in countless westerns, documented instances of two men stopping in the middle of the street to draw their guns and shoot it out in the old west can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Most of the "high school students" seen in American TV shows are actors in their twenties. There is s reason why Hollywood is called a "fantasy factory".

 

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mpaetz skrev:

     I mentioned that those who carry on their comic-book fandom into adulthood are indeed considered to be a bit peculiar. The fictional characters you mention fall into this category. Their oddity is one thing that makes them ripe for lampooning.

     Of course Hollywood cannot be taken to represent American reality. Despite what you may see in countless westerns, documented instances of two men stopping in the middle of the street to draw their guns and shoot it out in the old west can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Most of the "high school students" seen in American TV shows are actors in their twenties. There is s reason why Hollywood is called a "fantasy factory".

 

Well sure, it is the adults or teens we are talking about. Who would call kids nerds bacause they play game or read comics?! What I am saying is that TODAY same adult need to be much, much more obsessed with comics or games to be seen in negative light compare to couple decades ago. 

And the more I look, the more I find people (from America) who had same experience:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/why-are-comic-books-considered-nerd-stuff-or-kids--710782/

https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/2kzl6g/does_bullying_over_nerdy_stuff_still_happen/

https://boardgamestips.com/faq/are-comic-books-nerdy/

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