Why I'm Done With Chess

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manicule wrote:

Over the 3 years I've been playing chess I've gathered a few things about it: 

1. Chess has very little to do with true intelligence. This is number one. I was introduced to chess through a good friend in college. He was a great player and beat me consistently. At the time I said "So what? It's only because you WANT to be good at chess. You play it so much that you learn from your experiences." He read books on chess, was part of a chess club, won championships. He thought that he was a genius. Now, after playing chess for a while, I too started to feel somewhat more intelligent, but I was fooling myself. I know that if I continue to play chess I will improve now, just as I have been improving since I started. This is all due to repetition and experience playing the game. And I have done very little in the way of actual studying of the game. Chess requires a certain though process, that's all. I understand now what I already understood before I even started with chess - it is not a measure of intelligence.

2. Chess causes most people to become unfriendly and callous - Of course not all chess players are this way. But I've found time and time again, that chess players are some of the most arrogant and unfriendly people I've ever met. I don't like being around most chess players.

3. Chess wastes time. This is a big one for me. I have many interests - from painting to enjoying the outdoors. All these activities leave me with memories that are more fulfilling than anything chess can do.

4. Chess is shallow. I had to ask myself "Why am I playing chess?" And I was shocked at the true answers I found within myself. For one, I want to be a good chess player. I want to know that I am better than most people (this went along with the delusion of intelligence described in #1). I was also addicted to the distraction it provided me. Chess, and games in general are great distractions for introverts. It allows you to escape from your problems. It's entertainment. But above all these, I had to be completely honest with myself - I was addicted to the rewarding feeling it provided me. But I found this feeling a shallow, empty one, and I was disgusted.

So, I am done with chess. And I'm sure many people will disagree with what I've said, though I've only been as honest as possible.


 All of what you just said can be rebutted by 'Chess is fun.'

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woodshover wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
manicule wrote:

Over the 3 years I've been playing chess I've gathered a few things about it:

. . .


Over the 3 seconds I looked at your profile (1/0 rating 500 point higher than blitz rating) I've gather that you're a wood pusher


 Now you sound like a #2.


I know, but I couldn't resist Smile

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tonydal wrote:
FlowerFlowers wrote:

chess is like pokeman, or at least that's what i thought when i watched that cartoon.


You sure you don't mean Pac-Man? (lots of people are always talking about pieces "eating" other pieces, after all).


Embarassed guilty ... nyam nyam nyam

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paul211 wrote:

Chess does not waste time, it is a hobby like skiing, swimming arts and craft etc.

You may simply not have the connection to chess, perhaps try checkers the Canadian game.

You play bullit and blitz games only and have very little time to consider your next move.

Perhaps you may want to consider online chess to learn more about the game. i am available to try to help you with an unrated takeback game to up your understanding of chess.

You are playing at a fairly high level in bullit so I think that I can help you.

I have been playing chess for close to 50 years.


 One things for sure is this, dont quit playing chess if your already at a high-ranking player.  Its like saying that you played chess all this time and then you throw it in the trash. That's messed up.Surprised

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I find it hilarious that you all try to prove that he's wrong about chessplayers being disproportionally unfriendly and callous by being unfriendly and callous. Laughing

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echecs06 wrote:

Manicule, you are in the expert range in terms of ratings. So, what did you expect from Chess in the first place? Chess is a hobby, if you no longer enjoy it, find another one more satisfying!!


I'd say that's about 400 points off, but hey, a relatively close estimate Laughing

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offtherook wrote:
RealityMate wrote:

@ offtherook... What evidence??  What evidence disproves me saying that chess players are generally smart?


There have been dozens of studies over the years trying to find a link between chess ability (as imperfectly measured by Elo rating) and intelligence (as imperfectly measured by IQ).


 The first academic paper I found on a cursory google search said the following;

"

Correlation and regression analyses revealed a clear-cut moderate relationship

between general (and in particular numerical) intelligence and the participants’ playing strengths,

suggesting that expert chess play does not stand in isolation from superior mental abilities"

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chess_tourist wrote:

I find it hilarious that you all try to prove that he's wrong about chessplayers being disproportionally unfriendly and callous by being unfriendly and callous.


Well spoken.

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Dead right I have, given it up hundreds of times week gone Tuesday was the last time when I drew a dead won ending due to a blunder, that is until last night when I gave it up again after missing an easy win and stumbling into another draw.

I am finished with it for good now.

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I wonder what this means, "Although it is widely acknowledged that chess is the best example of an intellectual activity among games, evidence showing the association between any kind of intellectual ability and chess skill has been remarkably sparse. One of the reasons is that most of the studies investigated only one factor (e.g., intelligence), neglecting other factors relevant for the acquisition of chess skill (e.g., amount of practice, years of experience). The present study investigated the chess skill of 57 young chess players using measures of intelligence (WISC III), practice, and experience. Although practice had the most influence on chess skill, intelligence explained some variance even after the inclusion of practice. When an elite subsample of 23 children was tested, it turned out that intelligence was not a significant factor in chess skill, and that, if anything, it tended to correlate negatively with chess skill. This unexpected result is explained by a negative correlation between intelligence and practice in the elite subsample." ?    Cool

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I never want to give up playing chess, but sometimes I wonder if I really know how to play it.

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I don't ever want to give up chess either, but I can think of a few people I wish would. Cool

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It offend, if it's obvious.

Oh dear...

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The winner, view different.

It's better to win, than to view.

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tonydal wrote:
Vulpesvictor wrote:
fireballz wrote:

This is how I view chess:

...



Keep him talking. Whatever you do, keep this man talking.


lol


 the tricks are the tactics

the quicker you can identify the correct trick for the situation, the faster you will win.

before launching a trick, you create play.

chess is that simple.

That is why you have to read about it, to gain more tricks(tactics)

It is logic game, but you have to be creative to create play.

Once you are positioned, it is logic that you would win.

To create play is to sacrifice,  making opponent greed your pieces, and thus loose oversight of position.(control)

some opponents are clever, but they are few.

others are not clever, and would loose.

how funny is that,Laughing NM?

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One can never give up on Chess, on the contrary it is Chess who may give up on you.

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Why are you better at chess?

I short a few good tricks

or....

I am  gently pushed out of play, through creative play.

 

being creative, without a trick(logic), is to loose.

a trick(logic), is worthless without creative play.

tricks is logic.

to make a trick(logic) work, you have to be creative.

to win, is to beat opponent at creative play. 

that is why, chess cannot be boring, because it is a creative game. 

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Seleucid wrote:

One can never give up on Chess, on the contrary it is Chess who may give up on you.


This reminds me of when I used to play golf and we would tease each other when one of us would make a horrible shot by saying, "The golf god is mad at you."  That was bad enough, so please tell me there is no chess god.  Why am I worried, because if there was a chess god she would have given up on me years ago.  

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Over 200 posts, and he hasn't read a single one.

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woodshover wrote:

Over 200 posts, and he hasn't read a single one.


Who's he?