Why is Alexander Grischuk so overlooked?

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dashkee94
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pdela
macer75 wrote:

Why is he overlooked? I can think of 2 main reasons:

1. chess isn't that popular among the general public

2. Grischuk hasn't won any major tournaments with normal time controls in recent years

he won Linares

pdela

I don't know why people disrespect Grischuk because of the 2011 Candidates, he was there to try to get a spot for a World Championship Match and took an strategy to do so [within the rules there were and the format it was]  which consisted in quick draws in classical games, and rely in blitz (he almost won the tourney doing so, even in the matches with Gelfand was slighty dominator) problem was the regulations and the organization of the Candidates

Crazychessplaya

Grischuk is the new Ljubojevic.

pdela

from Wikipedia

In the World Chess Championship 2012 Candidates tournament, Grischuk was seeded 6th out of eight players, and faced the odds-on favorite to win the event, world No. 3 Levon Aronian in the first round. After splitting the four regular games 2–2, Grischuk won the rapid playoff 2½–1½ to advance to the semifinals. In the semifinals, he faced world No. 4 and former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. Because of his strength as a blitz player, Grischuk employed the strategy of drawing early with white and defending vigorously with black in order to force the match into a blitz playoff. The strategy worked, as both the regular and rapid games were all drawn. Grischuk then won the blitz playoff 1½–0½ to advance to the final. In the final, he faced 2009 Chess World Cup champion Boris Gelfand for the right to play Viswanathan Anand in 2012 for the World Championship. After drawing the first five games, Gelfand won the final game to win the match 3½–2½.

pdela

Kasparov took the strategy of drawing as much games as possible in the match against Karpov so Karpov would feel each time more tired and then He would won the games (I think the match started 5-0 for Karpov who seemed stronger)

pdela
click on a game number to replay game 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
Kasparov ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½
Karpov ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½

click on a game number to replay game 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40
Kasparov ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½
Karpov ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½

click on a game number to replay game 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48
Kasparov ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1
Karpov ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 0 0


FINAL SCORE:  Karpov 5;  Kasparov 3 (40 draws)

InfiniteFlash

Grishuk is in some way responsible for the cult we now know is the "death of classical chess"

TetsuoShima
Randomemory wrote:

Grishuk is in some way responsible for the cult we now know is the "death of classical chess"

but didnt someone already predict that at laskers times?? i forgot who its was but im pretty sure they said the same 100 years ago and than came bobby fischer...

Scottrf

It's the same as boxing. People have been saying it's dying since it started.

There is no death of classical chess.

dashkee94

Sorry about the triple post--I hadn't noticed it 'til now.

gumersindo

Grischuk found a good strategy for the Candidates. His opponents did not object to the quick draws.

Grischuk is a solid player usually scores +1 or +2. 

toiyabe

Grischuk doesn't want the death of classical chess, he is sick of over-analysis leading to forced draws as well as fully prepared games with no originality at the board.  How can anyone disagree with this?  

 

Grischuk: Boris(Gelfand) and I have an excellent relationship, but on that point our opinions differ. He thinks my statement about “the burial of classical chess” is complete nonsense, while I still think that classical chess doesn’t have long to go. Why did I mention it while I was still winning matches? Because when someone’s losing people put it down to that – the man lost so that’s why he’s talking like that. But I said it when I’d won a match, and then another. And now I still don’t see any prospects for classical chess.

Interviewer: You think we need to switch to rapid chess?

Grischuk: It doesn’t have to be rapid. Fischer Chess is very promising. It’s also named Chess-960, after all, as there are 960 starting position. Well, some of those positions are a little absurd i.e. the pieces stand in absurd positions… Perhaps you don’t need to use all the 960 starting positions but, let’s say, 200 or 300? I don’t know the exact number. I think that really would get rid of all the forced draws, because it’s impossible to analyse 100 starting positions, never mind 900. I think the most promising option is Fischer Chess.

TetsuoShima

ok fixing a hole thats quite interesting, for some reason i thought he only wanted rapid chess.

Scottrf

Now you know he wants Fischer chess, he's one of your favourite players?

Or do you hate him because he criticised some of the starting positions?

TetsuoShima
Scottrf wrote:

Now you know he wants Fischer chess, he's one of your favourite players?

Or do you hate him because he criticised some of the starting positions?


to be honest i dont quite like Fischer chess already, im just glad he didnt want the death of chess just to play fast games because he is so good in it.

Anyway when im a better player i might apreciate Fischer chess more.

Shakaali

I remember Grischuk was exciting young player with agressive, Kasparovian style when he burst onto the scene. I think he is possibly the best youngster russians have had since Kramnik. Maybe at some point he lost the motivation to really push his game onto the next level. At one point he seemed to be more of a poker than chess player - or at least that's my impression, might be wrong. Anyway, can't help but feel he hasn't fully realised his potential.

Still, he has deep chess understanding and his best games are very impressive.

Natalia_Pogonina

Your question is easy to answer. The organizers are looking for a way to make their events more diverse and interesting for the international chess audience. As a result, only 1-2 top players (out of 13+ guys rated 2700+) from the country get invited. No one wants a Soviet flashback, when over 50% of the top players were representing one country.

Now imagine you are the organizer. You need someone high-rated and famous. If you are planning to invite one guy from Russia, your obvious choice is Vladimir Kramnik. If you need two and/or like chess prodigies, you can also invite Sergey Karjakin. Grischuk, Moro, Svidler and a few other brilliant players come next. And if you are "only" the European Chess Champion (like Jakovenko, 2713) or the Russian Chess Champion (Andreikin, 2727), you can hardly expect more than one elite invitation per year.

TetsuoShima

but the idea is not correct in my opinion.  A lot of player who dont know so much about chess, for example would think that because Russia has so much strong players and the history, that people who won the russian championships or what they are called are automatically some of the best.

And being more known in russia makes it exciting, its something like the underestimated super genius who has the potential to beat all.

European players and well known player you see everytime. Ofc international players are exciting too, but everyone sees them lose to Anand and Magnus all the time, or at least that are the games that get seen by accident by not so knowledgable players like me.

Its like you always already assume them to do really good but just the final touch seems to be missing, despite being awesome players.

When you have players like Svidler or Grischuk you always have like still a bit of fantasy, room for imagination. At least thats the way for me.

Krestez
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

Your question is easy to answer. The organizers are looking for a way to make their events more diverse and interesting for the international chess audience. As a result, only 1-2 top players (out of 13+ guys rated 2700+) from the country get invited. No one wants a Soviet flashback, when over 50% of the top players were representing one country.

Now imagine you are the organizer. You need someone high-rated and famous. If you are planning to invite one guy from Russia, your obvious choice is Vladimir Kramnik. If you need two and/or like chess prodigies, you can also invite Sergey Karjakin. Grischuk, Moro, Svidler and a few other brilliant players come next. And if you are "only" the European Chess Champion (like Jakovenko, 2713) or the Russian Chess Champion (Andreikin, 2727), you can hardly expect more than one elite invitation per year.

Anyway, I think things already started changing. Either Kramnik is having a bad period or age is starting to show. He dropped some rating points recently. Of course he's still a chess machine,out of this world, but soon enough Grischuk or Karjakin will take his place.