Why isn't there touch move online?
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Idk how it is elsewhere but as far as I know when playing blitz otb usually its clock move not touch move. Most games online I play are short time controls so really not a difference to me
Interestingly - it would be in violation of fair play rules to move pieces about in the same manner on a 2nd physical board being used in conjunction with an online live game (being regarded as analysis). Yet not so to pick up the pieces and move them about on the primary online board. Quite the contradiction.
StormCentre3 wrote:
Interestingly - it would be in violation of fair play rules to move pieces about in the same manner on a 2nd physical board being used in conjunction with an online live game (being regarded as analysis). Yet not so to pick up the pieces and move them about on the primary online board. Quite the contradiction.
Chess.com said somewhere that they don't consider it cheating anymore because there's no way to detect it
StormCentre3 wrote:
Interestingly - it would be in violation of fair play rules to move pieces about in the same manner on a 2nd physical board being used in conjunction with an online live game (being regarded as analysis). Yet not so to pick up the pieces and move them about on the primary online board. Quite the contradiction.
They're rather confused and may seem irrational about some aspects but the thing is evolving and gradually improving.
Mar 23, 2021
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#25
It's because over the board it's extremely annoying when someone moves the pieces around with no intention of playing them. It disrupts the game. Online your opponent isn't bothered.
it's not the same thing at all.
Mar 23, 2021
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#26
blueemu wrote:
In OTB play, if the power goes out in the playing hall, do the players who are on the move automatically lose?
Why not? It works that way in online play! You get disconnected, you lose.
With the amount of loadshedding in my country it's a good thing I don't play OTB... it would be 50/50! 
The use of a 2nd board is not regarded as violating fair play rules - but for many reasons (including this topic) it is highly discouraged. What is against FP is the moving about of the pieces on the 2nd board during live play trying out various moves. This is clearly analysis. But then so it is on the live board - 1/2 move analysis deciding on any number of possibilities has forever been accepted practice online.
Mar 23, 2021
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#28
What was the original purpose of the touch rule? I think to avoid any kind of cheating, like picking up a piece, holding it in the air while thinking about where to place it, then saying "No, I'll move a different piece" and placing the original back in a different square and hoping the opponent did not notice. This is not a problem with computer chess.
Mar 23, 2021
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#29
havelock3 wrote:
What was the original purpose of the touch rule? I think to avoid any kind of cheating, like picking up a piece, holding it in the air while thinking about where to place it, then saying "No, I'll move a different piece" and placing the original back in a different square and hoping the opponent did not notice. This is not a problem with computer chess.
It's probably that and a whole bunch of things.
Imagine playing OTB and trying to calculate and your opponent is holding a piece or even two in his hands without there being a rule that he has to play them... that would be complete chaos. I think that is the biggest reason for the rule.
Say what?? Online you can pick up any piece and place it on any square and visualize the position. The move is not made official until it is “dropped”... only when it is released is the move officially made. It can be returned to the original square and another piece selected to move. This is totally in opposition to the OTB touch move rule.
For OTB - picking up a piece and placing it on a new square to better visualize the position...
is against the rules primarily because the practice is of assistance- players can better visualize and perhaps calculate further. Sure- it would be annoying to opponents permitting take-backs. But that is not the reason behind the rule.(annoyance)
Mar 23, 2021
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#32
StormCentre3 wrote:
Say what?? Online you can pick up any piece and place it on any square and visualize the position. The move is not made official until it is “dropped”... only when it is released is the move officially made. It can be returned to the original square and another piece selected to move. This is totally in opposition to the OTB touch move rule.
I don't get who you are talking to. Like I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
Mar 23, 2021
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#34
BurgerKe2 wrote:
Like if you touch a piece OTB you have to move it, but why doesn't the same principle apply online?
because it's not otb?
havelock3 wrote:
What was the original purpose of the touch rule? I think to avoid any kind of cheating, like picking up a piece, holding it in the air while thinking about where to place it, then saying "No, I'll move a different piece" and placing the original back in a different square and hoping the opponent did not notice. This is not a problem with computer chess.
I think it's for two reasons mainly: 1) so if a player picks up a piece and holds it mid-air (with or without the intention of playing it), the opponent could have a visible reaction in body language or shift his eyes and give the other player a psychological advantage, and 2) picking up pieces randomly and putting them back on the original square obviously would interfere with the opponent's concentration and calculations.
Mar 23, 2021
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#36
They say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, but now I'm not so sure.
Mar 23, 2021
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#37
hoodoothere wrote:
They say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask, but now I'm not so sure.
wheeze
Mar 23, 2021
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#38
brianchesscake wrote:
I think it's for two reasons mainly: 1) so if a player picks up a piece and holds it mid-air (with or without the intention of playing it), the opponent could have a visible reaction in body language or shift his eyes and give the other player a psychological advantage, and 2) picking up pieces randomly and putting them back on the original square obviously would interfere with the opponent's concentration and calculations.
Agreed. All of these considerations don’t apply to online play as neither player can see what the other is doing so having the one touch rule is arbitrary in this case. In fact you could argue that not having the rule can also benefit the opponent as the other player has a much higher likelihood of mouse slips.
Because it is arbitrary, it would be interesting to have the option to enforce the one touch rule as part of game matching and tournament setups, same as with the “no vacation” option in daily games. Personally I don’t think having the one touch rule would have much impact on games. Probably more annoying than anything else.
The problem is that if you play by phone or tablet that it will select moves and squares that you did not touch or hover over. Also I tried to legally queen a pawn, and my tablet froze. I lost on time. So to make a program that would sense that you touched a piece would just cause problems.