Why nobody plays chess 960?

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csid2136
Chill-Bhronai wrote:
VirusS3 wrote:

who is letterman?

i refer you to thread entitled ".i hate chess and here is why.." in "General Chess Discussions" especially #24

 

VirusS3
Tiger0218 wrote:
Chill-Bhronai wrote:
VirusS3 wrote:

who is letterman?

i refer you to thread entitled ".i hate chess and here is why.." in "General Chess Discussions" especially #24

 

i send him a challenge but he is not on and hasnt replied

csid2136
VirusS3 wrote:
Tiger0218 wrote:
Chill-Bhronai wrote:
VirusS3 wrote:

who is letterman?

i refer you to thread entitled ".i hate chess and here is why.." in "General Chess Discussions" especially #24

 

i send him a challenge but he is not on and hasnt replied

 

tacticspotter
VirusS3 写道:
Its one of the best things i discovered.. It is pure calculation since you cant really memorize openings unlike classic chess. In chess 960 you can put your mind into work and you will never face an opponent who isn't because they have memorized a bunch of books and openings...etc. not to mention.. IT IS ANTI CHEAT. Since every game is so unique you cannot use a bot to calculate the best moves since there isnt a bot for your game. Why nobody plays chess 960? Pure strategy unlike the limitations of classical chess were 70%+ of high lvl games have to be played with memory and little to no thinking, anti cheat and fking fun af. Its obvious why most of you wont play chess 960.. Because the only reason you play chess is to LOOK smart.

I won't say its anti cheat,it can still be cheated on other website(won't state the name) as other website has engine for this

FGMkyrollous
tacticspotter wrote:
VirusS3 写道:
Its one of the best things i discovered.. It is pure calculation since you cant really memorize openings unlike classic chess. In chess 960 you can put your mind into work and you will never face an opponent who isn't because they have memorized a bunch of books and openings...etc. not to mention.. IT IS ANTI CHEAT. Since every game is so unique you cannot use a bot to calculate the best moves since there isnt a bot for your game. Why nobody plays chess 960? Pure strategy unlike the limitations of classical chess were 70%+ of high lvl games have to be played with memory and little to no thinking, anti cheat and fking fun af. Its obvious why most of you wont play chess 960.. Because the only reason you play chess is to LOOK smart.

I won't say its anti cheat,it can still be cheated on other website(won't state the name) as other website has engine for this

Openings were, are and will always be a core part of chess.....however, the only time openings really decide the outcome of the game is when one of the players falls for a trick....and such tricks are common in your rating range (you are not likely to see any after the 1200~...and as I see....Mr.virus....that you are already almost there....so if you have troubles with traps and tricks till now...then you REALLY need to work on your calculation skills (that's necessary...don't expect to reach the 1300~ without seeing 3-4 moves forward at least through the whole match.....).....these same skills are just as important in chess960 in the middlegame....

Openings, otherwise, are for positional supremacy and dynamic imbalances ( acquiring the initiative and good development....)....and these, without "thinking" in attacks, tactics and strategy...the true winners of games.....are of no use.....

So if your opponents can't think but only memorize things like openings as you say....then, pardon me, you must be worse! 

FGMkyrollous

Mr.virus.....you play rapid ....the ONLY (with blitz and bullet...but they are no good to beginners..) chess time-control-game-type that is very difficult to cheat in (and intuitive in the same time...)....if your opponents cheat using bots...then they will be discovered sooner or later...and you will get your rating points back....

Chess960 is no different nor better in this...cheaters are discovered using the same mechanisms....the only thing it's unique in is it takes away the whole "openings" part of the game....I personally find that awful.....but you hating the openings doesn't mean that we are idiots who can only memorize some moves like a 4-year-old memorizing the ABCs without any ability to think! It's YOU who need to work on...believe it or not....THINKING! Falling for traps is for beginners....and being beaten by those who can't think as you say.....only means you are even worse at it!

FGMkyrollous

Note :if you think that 70% of high level games are played and won by ONLY memorizing with almost no thinking...then you are a really long way away from even being an intermediate....even your rating is a bit too high for you.....memorizing only is for those less than or equal to 1000 MAX....

Numquam

There are enough people in chess 960 tournaments in live chess, but the majority aren't beginners though.

VirusS3
FGMkyrollous wrote:

Note :if you think that 70% of high level games are played and won by ONLY memorizing with almost no thinking...then you are a really long way away from even being an intermediate....even your rating is a bit too high for you.....memorizing only is for those less than or equal to 1000 MAX....

You are acting really like you know everything yet your score is 1370. I dont play on this account anymore but i guarantee you not only my elo is not 1200 since i play in much higher elo in my other accounts but also that i can beat you in a game if you ever dare to accept a challenge.

 

By the way, you are absolutely wrong. People can reach IM and FM lvls with just simply memorizing games, openings, end games and moves. Hell people are even memorizing tactics in chess. thats why we have 3 year old prodigies at chess who easily beat most people. Games at high lvl Chess are won based on who has studied more opening variations and previous played games. Magnus is called the memory genius. Its the truth i am sorry.

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scaredy-cats.

FGMkyrollous

Challange sent..Mr.virus.....however you weren't online......we can play later....yet I assure you....this "memorizing" business is only secondary to "thinking"... as for you saying that magnus carlsen is the best just because he is a memorizing genius, then, actually you are right!....but not how you think it is.....the thing is that GMs and the elite chessmasters worldwide have all mostly reached the highest standard of thinking and decision making....they are all mostly so good that they can all find the best move in most positions with thinking...because they all mostly have attained the highest standard of thinking in chess strategy.....thereby, that standard of comparison "thinking abilities"....which is the core standard for all but those masters...is useless for distinguishing the best GM among them all.....and only because of that...the memorizing skills come into play...simply, magnus carlsen thinks just as good as all his foes, but what makes him the best is his ultimate memorizing skills (believe it or not....it's the middlegame and endgame patterns that he masters and memories perfectly that make him the best...not the openings...).....

I don't believe in 3 year old chess prodigies who defeat GMs....it's just illogical.....however, a 3 year old can beat other 6 or 7 year old kids with same training....how?.....like you said....memorizing skills! You are right!...but again, not exactly......simply young children can't THINK effectively....that's why a kid can jump out of a window to catch a butterfly...and an older kid would follow any stranger offering him some sweets....kids' thinking abilities are limited...and they grow slowly in the first 10 years.....only when they become teens their mind development accelerates rapidly....thereby how a 6 year old thinks is not that much different from a 3 year old.....it's very similar to the previous example....when thinking abilities are so close.....memorizing abilites define the winner...and if that 3 year old is a memorizing genius like carlsen....then he can beat those twice his age...UNTIL becoming a teen....where then training and improving thinking abilites makes the difference.....

Convinced?...in either case I am more than willing to play you....but a regular chess match....for I have no practical experience with chess960 (although I read quite a bit about it...)...

Note : I as well, had another account.....not just you😈😈😈 but I closed it and made this one👾👾👾

ChessChainlinks1

I enjoy FischerRanom more than the regular chess. FischerRandom is better because it dosen't require opening memorization. How can you play the french, or sicilian in FischerRandom, or know which side has a higher percentage of winning in FischerRandom?

Damonevic-Smithlov

I like it. I hope there r more high level tournaments in it & wish there were a fide rating list for it.

bong711

I played maybe 2 dozen Daily 960 games here. I did not enjoy it much. And my standard chess ability was affected, my ratings decreased. One reason I did not enjoy it, the starting position look awful compare to standard chess. Another reason it's difficult to launch a pawn storm in 960.

ChessChainlinks1
lorddickson3rd wrote:

no one plays that because they arent a f.a.g like u guys

Watch your language. I reported and blocked you. Returning troll.

ChessChainlinks1
lorddickson3rd wrote:

@chesschainlinks1 did u know someone called weanus69420

Right, and that account was banned for abuse, and so will your account. I reported both

Enayahs

yeah the other day I queued up for a chess 960 game and after 5 minutes, still no match

VirusS3
FGMkyrollous wrote:

Challange sent..Mr.virus.....however you weren't online......we can play later....yet I assure you....this "memorizing" business is only secondary to "thinking"... as for you saying that magnus carlsen is the best just because he is a memorizing genius, then, actually you are right!....but not how you think it is.....the thing is that GMs and the elite chessmasters worldwide have all mostly reached the highest standard of thinking and decision making....they are all mostly so good that they can all find the best move in most positions with thinking...because they all mostly have attained the highest standard of thinking in chess strategy.....thereby, that standard of comparison "thinking abilities"....which is the core standard for all but those masters...is useless for distinguishing the best GM among them all.....and only because of that...the memorizing skills come into play...simply, magnus carlsen thinks just as good as all his foes, but what makes him the best is his ultimate memorizing skills (believe it or not....it's the middlegame and endgame patterns that he masters and memories perfectly that make him the best...not the openings...).....

I don't believe in 3 year old chess prodigies who defeat GMs....it's just illogical.....however, a 3 year old can beat other 6 or 7 year old kids with same training....how?.....like you said....memorizing skills! You are right!...but again, not exactly......simply young children can't THINK effectively....that's why a kid can jump out of a window to catch a butterfly...and an older kid would follow any stranger offering him some sweets....kids' thinking abilities are limited...and they grow slowly in the first 10 years.....only when they become teens their mind development accelerates rapidly....thereby how a 6 year old thinks is not that much different from a 3 year old.....it's very similar to the previous example....when thinking abilities are so close.....memorizing abilites define the winner...and if that 3 year old is a memorizing genius like carlsen....then he can beat those twice his age...UNTIL becoming a teen....where then training and improving thinking abilites makes the difference.....

Convinced?...in either case I am more than willing to play you....but a regular chess match....for I have no practical experience with chess960 (although I read quite a bit about it...)...

Note : I as well, had another account.....not just you😈😈😈 but I closed it and made this one👾👾👾

you dont believe in 3 year old prodigies? Well you dont have to. Here.. https://youtu.be/RNm72VY6yfU This 3 year old can probably beat you. btw he is now 4 and way better. Sergey Karjakin became a gm at the age of 12. 12 year olds are not even considered teens

Azathot0

King not go bomb like in atomic chess.

FGMkyrollous

Mr.virus......i have a couple of things to say :

I admit, as I now found out about that kid "mischa ", that you were partially correct (in your talk about chess prodigies,  to be exact...)....my apologies to you....there are, however, few things that are not completely accurate about mischa.....he is surely great and surely can beat me,you and many better chess players....yet....on equal terms....that kid is no match against GMs or even CMs....if you made notes of the playing conditions.....the kid took huge amounts of time to play till he ran out of time completely (there is an old saying that says : give a monkey an infinite amount of time, and it will make you a symphony...meaning that time advantages can make much less effective men do better than those better than them in any field of work....what makes a GM what he is, is that he makes the best moves in the LEAST amount of time...don't underestimate time advantages!!)....he was playing very old people (you expect a 95 year old man to play effectively? It's already an achievement he is still alive!)....and karpov was winning against the kid, let alone that was a game showcase, more of a fun match than anything serious...as karpov was playing at half his strength!....although playing on stage wasn't that great for a 3 year old....the advantages he had were supreme.......

Oh, and one last thing.....these chess prodigies are EXCEPTIONS to the rule!....they are considered GENIUS.....remember einstein? He was a GENIUS...much smarter than others in his field of brilliance....he too was an exception to the rule....what's that rule In the chess world?...the rule that says that thinking comes before memorizing......so unless you show me 100000 chess players who memorize their moves from start to checkmate...then the rule is the rule.....and those genius people and 3 year old chess prodigies  and 12 year old GMs don't change it....whether it was ultimate thinking or memorizing skills....they don't represent anyone but themselves.....and the rule applies to everyone else...