Will Anand defend against Carlsen?

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It is almost sure that Magnus Carlsen will win the next Candidates Tournament and will Challenge Anand in World chess championship 2013. It looks almost one sided match since Carlsen looks a monster currently. But in the Tata Steel Anand showed how much home preparation he does. Do you think that Anand would have some secret preparation and completely surprize Carlsen and everybody?

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I doubt it.Even though home prep is one of Anand's strong points,Carlsen play so many diff openings that it is almost impossible to prepare against him!

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If Anand and Carlsen do play each other in the WCC match, and if Carlsen does win, I don't expect it to be one sided.  Anand's experience and skill are just too much for any player to dominate him.  I expect it to be a fairly close and exciting match.  I hope I'm not wrong!

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waffllemaster wrote:

If Anand and Carlsen do play each other in the WCC match, and if Carlsen does win, I don't expect it to be one sided.  Anand's experience and skill are just too much for any player to dominate him.  I expect it to be a fairly close and exciting match.  I hope I'm not wrong!

It sure is gonna be exciting but Carlsen will surely be the favourite!

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Lol what an unbiased chess player, since your from india

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@  Randomemory
But his name is "fanofcarlsen" ... from India Surprised

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Not all Indian are Anand fanboysLaughing

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Although I am rooting for Carlsen, I don't want him to be a world champion yet. The kid still have much to work for. Carlsen's opening play is terrible. It's even worse than Capablanca's. I don't think that a world champion should play openings like that.

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definately anand will win....Tongue Out

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honinbo_shusaku wrote:

Although I am rooting for Carlsen, I don't want him to be a world champion yet. The kid still have much to work for. Carlsen's opening play is terrible. It's even worse than Capablanca's. I don't think that a world champion should play openings like that.

His openings aren't terrible,they are just mediocre!He plays those openings because he is sure of outplaying his opponents in the middlegame.You cant judge his level of play based on openings because if his openings were terrible,he would never win at the highest level

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It doesn't matter whether he constantly win or not. A world champion must set the bar that the next generation must overcome. He must be strong in all aspects of the game. Carlsen's opening play is plain terrible. He let his opponents gained that much ground. Capablanca didn't play the sharpest or the most innovative opening lines. However, he never let his opponents gained that much advantage either. If Carlsen becomes a world champion now, he may stop improving and his opening play becomes a permanent defect. The kid still have much potential. Give him more time to work on his existing weaknesses, and he will become a great champion.

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honinbo_shusaku wrote:

It doesn't matter whether he constantly win or not. A world champion must set the bar that the next generation must overcome. He must be strong in all aspects of the game. Carlsen's opening play is plain terrible. He let his opponents gained that much ground. Capablanca didn't play the sharpest or the most innovative opening lines. However, he never let his opponents gained that much advantage either. If Carlsen becomes a world champion now, he may stop improving and his opening play becomes a permanent defect. The kid still have much potential. Give him more time to work on his existing weaknesses, and he will become a great champion.

Did you not understand what i said earlier?He is not weak in opening play!Are you kidding me?How can a 2800+be weak in openings?He just plays lesser known lines to avoid theorotical battles,This doesent mean he is weak in openings,he just prefers to avoid the main lines.

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I don't like all the assumptions that people are making here, it's nowhere close to guaranteed that he will even end up facing Anand. Not to mention that Anand has had tremendous experience at holding his place as WC.

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It's funny seeing comments like "Carlsen's openings are terrible" from people rated some 2,000 points below him. Maybe it's not even funny, just stupid.

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I would be really happy to listen opinions about my original question. I think there cannot be any discussion about Carlsen's strength.. He has achieved greatest rating in the history!! But question is whether Anand will surprize and defeat Carlsen using his home preparation. We saw Anand using this weapon against Aronian..and too much brutally.. Laughing

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FanOfCarlsen wrote:

I would be really happy to listen opinions about my original question. I think there cannot be any discussion about Carlsen's strength.. He has achieved greatest rating in the history!! But question is whether Anand will surprize and defeat Carlsen using his home preparation. We saw Anand using this weapon against Aronian..and too much brutally..

The real question is what preparation Carlsen will have (again, assuming he wins the candidates), especially with Anand's old second on his side.

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For all the talk of Anand's preparation, the Aronian game seems to be the only time recently somebody has walked into it and got a really bad position early. It also shows he isn't holding some mythical game winning preparation back.

Since before the World Championship, Anand's barely been winning any games, and Carlsen lost two long games in 2012.

To compare Anand's 'strong preparation' vs Carlsens 'weak openings', you'd think Anand was the one pushing for a win in most of his games, and Carlsen struggling to get anything going. Looking at tournaments, it's clearly the opposite. Carlsen is getting positions he likes more than his opponent, isn't that what opening play should be about? Not some objective +0.4 on Houdini.

I'm not saying that Carlsen is an opening master, getting great positions, but it's clearly a style choice, and you'd be hard pressed to say it isn't working for him.

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@likhit_rc: Before you open your mouth, have you looked at Carlsen's games? Rating only indicates a general level of one's play. It doesn't tell which area you are lacking. Carlsen's strength is his middlegame-endgame play. That's how he makes up for his opening deficiency. In a number of his games, his opponents often gained a seriously dominating position right into the first half of the game, then Magnus played some miraculous catch up later. Playing lesser known lines argument does not hold, because Magnus actually often stick to the main lines. Assuming unknown lines are played (which also happened in his games), there is no way the opponents could have gained that much advantage since the playing field would have been even. The only reasoning for this is that his opening concepts/logic may have been weaker in comparison to his peers. This is not to say that Carlsen is weak. Overall, he is one of the world's best due to his overwhelming strength in middlegame/endgame. However, I think it would have been a great waste of his talents if he doesn't get his opening play improved and perfected, which is why I say Carlsen could use more time before he try to claim the title.

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I can hardly believe that I have read this many comments as to how "terrible" Carlsens openings are. He is the highest rated player of all time, a monstrous talent, has calculative ability regarding positional play unlike anything I have ever seen, and has been whipping up on super GMs since he was 13. I loved the Aronian game, but let's be honest: Anand will lose, regardess of Carlsens "terrible" openings.

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honinbo_shusaku wrote:

In a number of his games, his opponents often gained a seriously dominating position right into the first half of the game, then Magnus played some miraculous catch up later.

Can you show these games please? The Giri one is the only one in the last 30 or so where I can think of Carlsen being behind anything substantial.

Carlsen gets games where he has less than the normal opening advantage, he doesn't get positions where he's being 'seriously dominated'.