Will computers ever solve chess?

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DragonPhoenixSlayer
ponz111 wrote:

Will computers ever solve chess?  Depends on your definition of "solve".

I think they mean calculate every possible chess game 

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DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
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DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:

What would a painter do if you could just click a button and see the perfect painting.

 

I don't know genius. I guess no one would paint.

 

 

A camera cannot create it can only capture some of the beauty that is already created

A camera creates a picture. Some pictures are considered to have artistic value. Some photographers are well known for the artistic pictures they take with their cameras.

A camera can capture beauty not create.Its the artist or something else that creates the environment so that the camera can take the picture.Saying a camera creates the picture is like saying a painting brush is the artist and not the painter or saying the pencil is an artist but not the poet

Cameras are tools just like a paint brush. It takes a lot more work with a brush, but that doesn't make a painting less meaningful.

And even though computers can autonomously create art (paintings, music) that doesn't make what humans do less artistically valuable or less admirable.

DragonPhoenixSlayer
0110001101101000 wrote:
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:

What would a painter do if you could just click a button and see the perfect painting.

 

I don't know genius. I guess no one would paint.

 

 

A camera cannot create it can only capture some of the beauty that is already created

A camera creates a picture. Some pictures are considered to have artistic value. Some photographers are well known for the artistic pictures they take with their cameras.

A camera can capture beauty not create.Its the artist or something else that creates the environment so that the camera can take the picture.Saying a camera creates the picture is like saying a painting brush is the artist and not the painter or saying the pencil is an artist but not the poet

Cameras are tools just like a paint brush. It takes a lot more work with a brush, but that doesn't make a painting less meaningful.

And even though computers can autonomously create art (paintings, music) that doesn't make what humans do less artistically valuable or less admirable.

What i was trying to say was that if computers learn to make perfect art it will lose its beauty not that humans suck at art

DragonPhoenixSlayer
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:

What would a painter do if you could just click a button and see the perfect painting.

 

I don't know genius. I guess no one would paint.

 

 

A camera cannot create it can only capture some of the beauty that is already created

A camera creates a picture. Some pictures are considered to have artistic value. Some photographers are well known for the artistic pictures they take with their cameras.

A camera can capture beauty not create.Its the artist or something else that creates the environment so that the camera can take the picture.Saying a camera creates the picture is like saying a painting brush is the artist and not the painter or saying the pencil is an artist but not the poet

Cameras are tools just like a paint brush. It takes a lot more work with a brush, but that doesn't make a painting less meaningful.

And even though computers can autonomously create art (paintings, music) that doesn't make what humans do less artistically valuable or less admirable.

What i was trying to say was that if computers learn to make perfect art it will lose  some of its beauty not that humans suck at art

 

ponz111

If solving chess means to to have a 32 piece table base--then it will not happen. Our sun will take out the earth before it can possibly happen.

regi-mental

they can already build robots that pitch faster, more acurately, and more reliably, than any major league star.  It hasn't hurt baseball.  If anything it's helped.

crossfire125

There are already tablebases for endgames... That didn't help us patzers much!! We are still unable to win the k+n+b vs K endgame! 😨

Diakonia

It doesnt matter if computers do solve chess.  Man wont be able to memorize enough of it to matter.  

regi-mental

that's the point.  If you don't like computers don't play with them.

Even if a super computer that could never lose a game is built,  I'll still be playing chess with the guys in my chess club.

Improving your chess game won't be any easier or harder just because a new machine appears.

Elroch

Cars didn't end athletics.

Diakonia
regi-mental wrote:

that's the point.  If you don't like computers don't play with them.

Even if a super computer that could never lose a game is built,  I'll still be playing chess with the guys in my chess club.

Improving your chess game won't be any easier or harder just because a new machine appears.

Yep!  I personally get no enjoyment out of playing against an engine.  I enjoy the interaction with people.  

regi-mental

when I play a computer set to a high level, it wipes the floor with me, I don't learn anything.

when I play a computer set to a low level, I can see the carefully chosen move it makes to set the level low.  I think, there it is, the deliberate blunder.

and I don't learn anything.

DragonPhoenixSlayer
s23bog wrote:

9x9 chess would make the kings polygamists? 

There is also the possibility of 10x10 chess with dragons outside the castle walls.

That sounds awesome

Diakonia
Hulkyhulk wrote:

Engines are designed to play the way they do. They don't depend on chess princeples they depend on calculating. But they all have their weaknesses. Everyone has weaknesses even the best computers. If you put stockfish vs komodo for example sometimes they won't be able to defend the current position. With my experience playing against engines is a very hard task. You have to have you're mind clear and the only thing you're concerned with is the game you are playing. You have to be physically and mentally ready. And you have to avoid as much blunders as possible and you have to play solid chess if you can sac a piece and win a pawn or have a better position then yes go for it. But In personally think that these engines the top engines have weaknesses one of them is attacking from all sides with brutal force. They won't be able to defend more then 2 attacks so they will lose the game. But even if computers solve chess. Chess will be forgotten in matter of 10 years maybe or less. Like checkers no one will enjoy playing the game anymore.

No idea where you got this misinformation from, but checkers is still fun, and people still enjoy playing it. 

Elroch

Also, chess computers have no particular weakness to attacks from more than one direction. If they did, GMs wouldn't be demanding knight odds from them.

Diakonia
Hulkyhulk wrote:

Beleive it or not I don't care too much but analyze it with the same engine and that's how you will know I'm telling the truthhttps://www.chess.com/blog/Hulkyhulk/my-first-win-against-the-lastest-version-of-stockfish-7-amazing-game.

And a reply for Diakonia comment I don't know dude but I heard that lots of people stopped playing checkers because it got solved and they got bored of the game. I heard that everywhere I went on the internet even here I might be wrong but. It would be gladly appreciated if you can correct me :)

1. Youre game against stockfish was already exposed for the fraud it is, so quit exploiting that lie.  

2. Since people havent solved checkers, it is still fun to play.  They still have the checkers world championship.  So apparently the fact that it is solved doesnt matter.

SaintGermain32105

I'm playing delayed Alapin anyway.

DragonPhoenixSlayer
Diakonia wrote:
Hulkyhulk wrote:

Beleive it or not I don't care too much but analyze it with the same engine and that's how you will know I'm telling the truthhttps://www.chess.com/blog/Hulkyhulk/my-first-win-against-the-lastest-version-of-stockfish-7-amazing-game.

And a reply for Diakonia comment I don't know dude but I heard that lots of people stopped playing checkers because it got solved and they got bored of the game. I heard that everywhere I went on the internet even here I might be wrong but. It would be gladly appreciated if you can correct me :)

1. Youre game against stockfish was already exposed for the fraud it is, so quit exploiting that lie.  

2. Since people havent solved checkers, it is still fun to play.  They still have the checkers world championship.  So apparently the fact that it is solved doesnt matter.

Checkers was actually solved in 2007

http://en.chessbase.com/post/500-billion-billion-moves-later-computers-solve-checkers

Diakonia
DragonPhoenixSlayer wrote:
Diakonia wrote:
Hulkyhulk wrote:

Beleive it or not I don't care too much but analyze it with the same engine and that's how you will know I'm telling the truthhttps://www.chess.com/blog/Hulkyhulk/my-first-win-against-the-lastest-version-of-stockfish-7-amazing-game.

And a reply for Diakonia comment I don't know dude but I heard that lots of people stopped playing checkers because it got solved and they got bored of the game. I heard that everywhere I went on the internet even here I might be wrong but. It would be gladly appreciated if you can correct me :)

1. Youre game against stockfish was already exposed for the fraud it is, so quit exploiting that lie.  

2. Since people havent solved checkers, it is still fun to play.  They still have the checkers world championship.  So apparently the fact that it is solved doesnt matter.

Checkers was actually solved in 2007

http://en.chessbase.com/post/500-billion-billion-moves-later-computers-solve-checkers

Understood, that is why i said "people" havent solved checkers.

ponz111

The term "people haven't solved checkers" is quite ambiguous.

We know checkers was solved some years ago.