Will computers ever solve chess?

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BradleyFarms

Yep.

BradleyFarms

There might be listeners viewing this! After all they came to a chess site for top quality information!

jbent02
CHESSMASTERorCM wrote:

There might be listeners viewing this! After all they came to a chess site for top quality information!

listening, viewing, or both?

BradleyFarms

Both! Maybe, hopefully, probably, could be, ahhhh most likely no body though. : (

jbent02

: (

jbent02

Will you ever grow up?

vickalan

This thread is hilarious and has a lot of funny and interesting comments. It shows the interest and craziness about solving one of the oldest and most popular games in history.

If anyone is interested in a forum which is more concise and peer-reviewed, there are other forums. One is Stack Exchange. Current knowledge is that chess has NOT been found to be impossible to solve - not even within a human lifetime (link here):

https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/79272/is-there-an-algorithm-that-can-solve-chess-within-the-span-of-a-human-lifetime

But why go there? This forum is way more funny, witty and interesting!null

DiogenesDue

Lol.  So typical of you.  A stack exchange question with a whole 2 "answers"?  That is your proof that it might be done within our lifetimes?  Stack exchange is where newbie developers go to try and get free answers to their coding issues wink.png...it is largely populated by neophyte developers looking for info and mediocre developers looking to seem important/knowledgeable...to neophyte developers, and, apparently, people like you Googling furiously to try and back up a baseless opinion.

There is nothing on that thread but uninformed opinions.  Gee, pretty much just like here...

Okay, now I need to change my stock reply to "18 years...a stack exchange thread says it's possible so it musts be true!".  Seriously, though...there has to be other developers/software management people on here that can confirm for you that a Stack Exchange thread like this is meaningless.  You might as well go to a Facebook messageboard and say that there is proof the Dallas Cowboys will beat the Washington Redkskins because "DallasRulz" posted a thread and said so.

"Peer reviewed".  Geez on a stick.  They have an upvote/downvote system.

Will nobody else tell the emperor he has no clothes on?

LosingAndLearning81
INeedToFlossTeeth wrote:

Will poopies ever stop smelling?

We're not experts on fecal matter. Ask your mother. evil.png Or ^ this guy.

vickalan
btickler wrote:

...A stack exchange question with a whole 2 "answers"?  That is your proof that it might be done within our lifetimes?  Stack exchange is where newbie developers go to try and get free answers to their coding issues ...it is largely populated by neophyte developers looking for info and mediocre developers looking to seem important/knowledgeable...to neophyte developers, and, apparently, people like you Googling furiously to try and back up a baseless opinion.

There is nothing on that thread but uninformed opinions.  Gee, pretty much just like here...

Okay, now I need to change my stock reply to "18 years...a stack exchange thread says it's possible so it musts be true!".  Seriously, though...there has to be other developers/software management people on here that can confirm for you that a Stack Exchange thread like this is meaningless.  You might as well go to a Facebook messageboard and say that there is proof the Dallas Cowboys will beat the Washington Redkskins because "DallasRulz" posted a thread and said so...

I know you don't like it because your stance is wrong in both formats - here which is non-moderated, and over there which is peer-reviewed. Sorry you don't like it. Too bad.null

DiogenesDue
vickalan wrote:

I know you don't like it because your stance is wrong in both formats - here which is non-moderated, and over there which is peer-reviewed. Sorry you don't like it. Too bad.

Your sum total of information seems to be a paper from 1950, a thread from a coding Q&A forum (essentially Yahoo Answers for beginning coders...hey did you know that other internet netizens commenting on your post is considered peer review at Yahoo Answers?...maybe you should ask them if chess can be solved in 18 years and post the peer reviewed answers back over here as proof!), and your own made up tree and Venn diagrams.  Good on ya wink.png...

vickalan

Yes, refuting your bogus claim was quite simple. But be careful - I see some hyperbole creeping back into you posts. Remember what that means?happy.png

DiogenesDue
vickalan wrote:

Yes, refuting your bogus claim was quite simple. But be careful - I see some hyperbole creeping back into you posts. Remember what that means?

I see, so your defense in using bad/suspect/outdated sources is that that's all is required because my arguments are bad...riiiiiight.  I guess you would have used your good sources, but just didn't bother because it was easier to use bad ones?  Oh, wait, maybe it was because good sources don't back up your silly notions of the universe, computing, the laws of physics, you know...stuff like that.

vickalan

Shannon's paper still stands. Math doesn't go bad due to age.happy.png

DiogenesDue
vickalan wrote:

Shannon's paper still stands. Math doesn't go bad due to age.

Another trite adage that is not even applicable here.  You do like to throw around other people's words without understanding them...

His suppositions about solving chess through other computing methods not based on brute force are not based on mathematical proofs, now are they?  They are based on his 1950s understanding of computers' capabilities...which was/is still a far cry better than yours in 2018, sad to say.

DiogenesDue

^^^ This is not atypical of the type of guy that is on your side of the argument, Vickalan.  Credibility...low to non-existent.  Maybe some flat-earthers can help you out?  I heard that guy in the news failed to launch his rocket, again, so...he's probably free.

vickalan

@BallCrusher28 is witty - I like the guy. Unfortunately pointing to his posts do not prove that chess can never be solved. You'll need to show some math to do that.happy.png

DiogenesDue
vickalan wrote:

@BallCrusher28 is witty - I like the guy. 

Quoting for posterity.  'Nuff said.

jbent02
vickalan wrote:

@BallCrusher28 is witty - I like the guy. Unfortunately pointing to his posts do not prove that chess can never be solved. You'll need to show some math to do that.

chess can never be solved because the hard drive would be so large that it would mess with the obits of all the planets. Its never gonna be built and therefore chess will never be solved.

jbent02

no math needed