Why five moves? If it were three moves that would be the shortest legal draw, right?
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No, the same position has to occur 3 times.
And, what about a draw by agreement on the first move?
pompom wrote:
No, the same position has to occur 3 times.
And, what about a draw by agreement on the first move?
[EDIT] Duh, never mind.
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No, only after 5. ... Nf6 the position has been repeated for the third time so a draw can be claimed. That would be the earliest you could claim a draw by threefold repetition.
Oct 31, 2013
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#7
I think the OP is referring to draws per the rules not per agreement. The difference being that it only takes one player to claim a draw per 3-fold repetition, 50 move rule, stalemate and so on while in the other case both players have to agree.
Dietmar wrote:
I think the OP is referring to draws per the rules not per agreement. The difference being that it only takes one player to claim a draw per 3-fold repetition, 50 move rule, stalemate and so on while in the other case both players have to agree.
bingo
Oct 31, 2013
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#9
The game starts after white makes its first move hence the position prior to move 1 doesn't count.
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#10
I always assume I miss something thus the "so on" refers to all the cases I could have forgotten .. 
Actually, one comes to mind right now: Insufficient material. I knew there was something I left out ...
Oct 31, 2013
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#11
While you are correct in terms of when a game actually starts, it is irrelevant in terms of the 3-fold position rule. The starting position still won't count for that purpose even though the arbiter hit the clock.
That's nothing. I once agreed to a draw twenty years before the game started.
LOL ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
sapientdust wrote:
That's nothing. I once agreed to a draw twenty years before the game started.
lol lol lol
Black knows something...
watcha wrote:
Black to move...no more draw. ;-)
pompom wrote:
No, the same position has to occur 3 times.
And, what about a draw by agreement on the first move?
I'm team-captain of the 4th team of my chess-club. On the last play-day, when 3 out of 4 games went underway my board #1 guy went to drink a coffee with his opponent.
It took them quite long and I was wondering when they were going to start. After some 20ish minutes they came back and said: "We're done. It's a draw."
Found that to be extremely lame. Why get up early on a sunday morning, drive to another city to then declare draw on move 0? -_-
Dietmar wrote:
No, only after 5. ... Nf6 the position has been repeated for the third time so a draw can be claimed. That would be the earliest you could claim a draw by threefold repetition.
Nf6 wouldn't need to be played even (infact playing it would surely lose the chance of forcing a draw).
A game I played when I first started out