Yusupov and the Older Lower Rated Player

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madratter7

I’m coming back to a chess after a long hiatus. The last time I played tournament chess was back in 1991. I’m now nearing 60 and possible retirement.

I decided to get back into chess because I enjoy it, I’ll have the time, it will provide another social outlet, and it will exercise my mind.

I was a reasonable player compared to my peers back in high school (played second board), but didn’t really progress much from there. My rating is 1437 USCF. I was better at correspondence chess, USCF 1628. The longer the time control, the stronger I am. At blitz, I’m pathetic.

Like most players, I want to be better. I’m willing to do some work for that to happen.

I was looking around for structured study materials and of course, I came across Yusupov. However, there seemed to be a fair amount of disagreement about whether it was appropriate for people my strength or not. I decided to buy it and find out.

At this point, I’ve completed the first chapter and part of the second. What I can say at this point is that the first chapter was at a level I could and did handle. When I did the test at the end of the chapter, I got 15 of 16 points, which is rated excellent. Perhaps more importantly, I did learn things I did not know, and which I am already applying. It is a much more structured way to learn some of the patterns than just doing a bunch of tactics problems where you may or may not notice the patterns in common.

As an aside, I’m curious to see what kind of progress if any I can make at getting better. The conventional wisdom seems to be that older players are unlikely to progress much at all. I would have been much more prone to accept that idea except for a recent experience with music.

I have been a guitar player since high school. I’m decent at what I play but I have never been a very fast. I had accepted the idea that I was just limited in my abilities in that regards. A couple months ago, a friend sent me a youtube lesson on how to play faster. Now I have seen material on playing faster before. Use a metronome, increase the speed, etc. However, it didn’t particularly help. What was in that video clicked and made sense to me. I practiced what it said and I very rapidly increased my speed. This despite the fact I’m nearly 60, had tried before, etc.

Yusupov may be what makes chess click for me. Perhaps it will. Perhaps it won’t. But I’m interested to find out.

As for age, it might limit me. But I know if I don’t try to get better, I won’t.

OldPatzerMike

You and I have some interesting parallels. I am 67 and returned to chess a year and a half ago after leaving the game in the 1990s. My USCF rating was 1807, dropped a good bit when I started playing again, and has begun climbing back up.

I am also working on the Yusupov series and finished the second chapter of the second book yesterday. With hard work, it is a sure way to improvement. Whether it is suitable for your strength is ultimately up to you. The first level of books is supposedly geared to ELO 1600 and above, but if you are handling the material I would say to keep on with it.

I too have pondered the question of what limitations my age will place on my ability to improve. Of course, there's simply not enough time left for me to reach the levels that are possible for young folks. But I believe that as long as you can stay healthy you can continue to improve. In my last six tournament games, I have played the best chess of my life (thanks in large part to Yusupov), scoring +4-1=1 against players with an average rating higher than mine.

Compared to me, you're still young. Sure, time will place some limits on how far you can go, but you have a lot of great chess experiences ahead of you if you want them.

madratter7

Mike: I love hearing stories of people our age doing well. happy.png And the fact you are using Yusupov and it has helped you improve is very encouraging as well!

At the end of the day, I know that even at my current level I can appreciate the beauty of the game. At a minimum, Yusupov has already shown me some stuff that is quite beautiful. For example, his examples of Damiano's mate.

madratter7

I have now finished chapter two of the book. It was definitely more difficult for me than the first, and was slower going as a result. That said, I still scored 16/21 = a good rating for the chapter. So there is still hope this is accessible to those of us with lower ratings. It is a lot of work. But so far I think I have probably gotten value out of it, even if I were to quit using it today (certainly not my plan).

Icecream4crow

Hey just like me, I think Ill check it out-

thanks

OldPatzerMike
madratter7 wrote:

I have now finished chapter two of the book. It was definitely more difficult for me than the first, and was slower going as a result. That said, I still scored 16/21 = a good rating for the chapter. So there is still hope this is accessible to those of of with lower ratings. It is a lot of work. But so far I think I have probably gotten value out of it, even if I were to quit using it today (certainly not my plan).

Nice going. Yes, Yusupov is a lot of work, but that’s because you’re doing it right. My impression is that dedicated study of each chapter, even if it takes a few days, pays off. Keep on keepin’ on, as we used to say in my younger days.

madratter7
Skordato wrote:

Hey just like me, I think Ill check it out-

thanks

 

You might also want to look into The Steps Method. It was developed for teaching children in the Netherlands, but many adults find it very useful as well. If Yusupov does turn out to be to difficult for me, I may drop back and do that for a while.

andrewnox

madratter7, thanks for this thread and your thoughts on the Yusupov books, I will definitely take a closer look at them thanks to your posts. I'm going to be following this thread, keep us updated with how you get on? I'm only in my 30s, but only started playing a couple of years ago so in some ways we share a similar position - trying to get better when we're no longer children! Good luck with your journey, all the best.

kindaspongey

http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Build-up-Your-Chess-1-exceprt.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708103321/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review699.pdf
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Build-up-your-chess-2-excerpt.pdf
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Build-up-Your-Chess-3-exceprt.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708103659/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review778.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Boost-Your-Chess-1-77p3744.htm
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Boost-Your-Chess-1-excerpt.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Boost-Your-Chess-2-77p3745.htm
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/BoostYourChess2-excerpt.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Boost-Your-Chess-3-77p3746.htm
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/BoostYourChess3.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708103149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review834.pdf
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Chess-Evolution-1-excerpt.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708085817/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review843.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Chess-Evolution-2-77p3643.htm
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Chess_Evolution_2-excerpt.pdf
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Chess-Evolution-3-Mastery-77p3753.htm
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Chess_Evolution_3-excerpt.pdf
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/QandAwithArturYusupovQualityChessAugust2013.pdf
https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/Revision&Exam1-excerpt.pdf

madratter7

Today I completed chapter 3 on openings. This was significantly more difficult, since you didn't necessarily know what advantage you were looking for. For example, one problem I failed hinged on simply preventing the other side from castling. I had considered the move but decided it wasn't strong enough.

That said, I did manage to pass with 18 points. Fifteen was the minimum standard.  I was actually on pace to get a mark of good but I failed the last two problems where all I needed was 2 points out of 5 available. Oh well. At least I passed.

To give another idea of how strong (or not) I am at the moment, my chess tempo tactics rating is at 1470.6.

OldPatzerMike

Good going. Yusupov doesn’t expect us to get them all right. Also, you can learn a lot from the ones you get wrong, just like from games that you lose. 

Please keep us posted.

MitSud
Cool thread, maybe I’ll check out Yusupov, and I don’t see why age should stop u from improving (even if it’s only a little) and having fun if ur still healthy mentally and physically.
madratter7

 I can definitely recommend them to people higher level than myself who are willing to put in the time (and the time aspect is extensive).

What is unclear to me is if, at my level, there is something that is more time efficient for boosting my level of play. But the material is excellent.

torrubirubi
You should have a look at the website Chessable. You can register for free there. You will learn by spaced repetition, which is a very efficient way to learn openings, tactics and endgames. They will soon release a book on strategy too.

Some books are for free, some you have to purchase, and most part of the money goes to the chess authors.

The great thing about Chessable is the fun in learning /reviewing chess patterns. And you can ask the chess authors or other students about stuff that you can’t understand.

I am almost 56 and do not have great ambitions in chess. And I don’t have much time for learning ((I also play regularly tennis). I am just curious how far I can get here or perhaps in tournaments OTB only by self-study. Efficiency in the learning method is essential for me.

Chessable has also something unique: you get points for every review, and you can compare your points with those of other students. It is funny how this keep you motivated to review regularly your stuff there.
msiipola

I'm 64 and with a otb rating of about 1400. I also have tried Yusupov's first book and scored well in the tactics chapters, but not so good in the positional and end game chapters. Besides this I think there to little exercises, and you need much more of these.

Because of this I have switched to the Steps Method, and I started on level 2, and now on level 3. This course contains lot of exercises and not only tactical puzzles, I think this course is much better suited for me.

https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/the-chess-steps/

https://www.stappenmethode.nl/en/order-books-cds.php

http://www.chess-steps.com/index.php

 

 

madratter7

msiipola, I'm definitely keeping the steps method in mind. But for now I'm continuing to slog through Yusupov. I finished chapter 4 today, which is on "simple" pawn endgames. You can get 22 possible points. 12 is considered good enough to pass. I ended up with 14 so I passed. 15 points would have been good enough for a score of good.

 

I found this chapter quite difficult, despite having some familiarity already with the material.

I continue to work on other aspects of my game as well. I have now improved my tactics score at chesstempo to 1535.7.

kindaspongey

"... The main idea is to go through the material and learn from it. We need to learn from the examples; even if they are a bit too difficult. Also, I probably got the estimate a bit wrong, but at least I tried. My task was to give the fundamental material, leaving it up to the reader to get the most out of it. If some of it is not suitable for the individual, I do not think much is lost. The books have enough useful stuff for anyone to learn something. ..." - GM Artur Yusupov
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/QandAwithArturYusupovQualityChessAugust2013.pdf

madratter7

I have decided to start a blog to track my progress and what I am doing:

https://www.chess.com/blog/madratter7/heading-past-60

 

So today I finished chapter 5 of Yusupov on double checks. For me it was a study in contrasts. I found working through the diagrams hard work and tough sledding. On the other hand, I found the exercises to be quite easy. I flew through them and scored 16 of 16 for an excellent. That was encouraging.

My tactics score at chesstempo is now up to 1570.5.

madratter7

I have now completed chapter 6. This was on the value of the pieces, and how they change depending on the position. I ended up scoring 13 of 19, which for this chapter is a rating of good.

 

This book is difficult for someone at my level, and I really struggled with one of the position in particular in the exam. It was rated easy but I just could not find a move I was happy with. Even in positional chapters (and this one is also called positional play 1), the answer to many of the exercises is tactical in nature. I looked and looked for tactics in the position and just could not find anything that directly won material. I finally gave up and looked at how to best position the pieces I had. I decided a pawn move was necessary to reposition my knight. I made the move, knowing I was probably going to flunk the position. I got it right!

 

Another problem in the chapter was tricky in that usually you are looking for a win. In this case, you are supposed to evaluate the fact that you need to play for a draw given the particular imbalance of material. There is a stalemate you can force. I had rejected that line, and got the problem incorrect.

 

I'm not giving these examples to complain about the book. Exactly the opposite. Not all positions have tactical shots that win. Not all positions are winning, and sometimes playing for the draw is correct.

 

One of the problems with doing just tactical puzzles, is that you know what you are looking for in the position. To improve you need to recognize when the tactics are correct, and when they just aren't there.

 

I do think I'm improving. I went to the club Friday night. Turnout was light, probably because they were having a tournament the next day. I got to play the head of the club who is a Class A player. I played my London system against him and got a very favorable position. I ended up losing the game on an incorrect Rook sac, but I definitely had him on the ropes and thinking hard. (I had incorrectly calculated that if the rook sac didn't go well, I could bail to a perpetual).

 

Just staying in the game with this guy was an improvement for me. So I'm actually pretty happy with the game and my progress, even though I lost.

madratter7

 Thanks Karl. happy.png