Fair Play Policy/Not being able to play other people

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BlueGator456

Well, first of all, I do not know what the abort number is, there probably is no abort number. They probably refer to how many times you have to play your friends by the number of times you have aborted frequently, since they caught you. I do not know if this is true or not, but you could ask a staff member of Chess.com. I also do not know if it's a ratio or an absolute number. The staff can compare the absolute numbers of aborts to other Chess.com members' absolute numbers of aborts to refer whether or not they should be banned from playing everyone except their friends, but the ratio would be more helpful than the absolute number because the Chess.com can estimate the number of aborts to 1 completed game and compare that to the ratios of other Chess.com members' aborts to see whether or not the player should be banned from playing other people besides their friends. Well, it does count against you if your opponent does stall for a long time, but I will suggest to you to just wait because then the server will abort for you and it won't count against you. Well, if the Chess.com staff showed the number of games you have to abort to get banned from being able to play other people, besides your friends, then the players who abort alot might find a shortcut around the Fair Play Policy, somehow. You probably do get credit for earlier games played with friends because it wouldn't be fair, if the number of aborts should affect your rating. If you have any suggestions related to the Fair Play Policy, then I would suggest posting a forum about it in the Site Feedback and Suggestions forum section, or using the link on the first page to Contact Help and Support because you can submit suggestions there, too. I am not a staff member or a moderator, so please only ask me questions about the Fair Play Policy, so I can assist you with that.

-BlueGator456

DeepGreene

Sorry for polluting the recent posts list with the same post over and over, but I want to make sure all interested parties get this...

Certainly we don't think users should be "hung up on" instantly once they are paired with an "abort-enthusiast," so we want to discourage that. Laughing

But the current approach seems more punitive than desirable (or necessary). So now the plan is this:

- Make the New Game > Ratings settings more obvious, so that people are more likely to be aware they are able to specify a ratings-range for their challenges.

- Change the nature of the account restriction:  Don't stop people from playing; stop them from Aborting. That is, once they go over the limit (which, btw, is based on a %) they can still create/accept Open Seeks. But they can't simply abort their games anymore (until the % drops back below the line) - games will start with a button showing "Resign" instead, with all the usual ramifications for their rating. Play or forfeit!!

Much better. Smile

Still working out the details, but this is coming soon...

BlueGator456
Godspawn wrote:
TheGodfather000 wrote:
This rule is a mistake. Players must be FREE to play or to abort or to disconnect for any reason, accidentaly or on purpose.

You are FREE to play...abort...disconnect for any reason.  No one is stopping you.


 Except the Chess.com staff and possibly the Chess.com moderators.

-BlueGator456

BlueGator456
DeepGreene wrote:

Sorry for polluting the recent posts list with the same post over and over, but I want to make sure all interested parties get this...

Certainly we don't think users should be "hung up on" instantly once they are paired with an "abort-enthusiast," so we want to discourage that.

But the current approach seems more punitive than desirable (or necessary). So now the plan is this:

- Make the New Game > Ratings settings more obvious, so that people are more likely to be aware they are able to specify a ratings-range for their challenges.

- Change the nature of the account restriction:  Don't stop people from playing; stop them from Aborting. That is, once they go over the limit (which, btw, is based on a %) they can still create/accept Open Seeks. But they can't simply abort their games anymore (until the % drops back below the line) - games will start with a button showing "Resign" instead, with all the usual ramifications for their rating. Play or forfeit!!

Much better.

Still working out the details, but this is coming soon...


 Well, if you have to play or resign, then what if you accidently press a game that someone else accepted, and then the game disappeared, the second before you were going to press it, and you accidently pressed another game. That happens to me frequently. I set my maximum rating to +50, but I still see people above 50 above my rating, but I see people in my minumum rating range, no rating more than 300 more than my rating. Does the rating range only count for your games that you created?

-BlueGator456

sftac

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DeepGreene
BlueGator456 wrote:Does the rating range only count for your games that you created?

It's two different things.

The Rating settings available on the New Game tab affect the challenges you send.

The challenges you see on the graph are controlled on the "Filter" sub-tab of your Live Chess Settings:

BlueGator456

Well, I am not complaining, I am just answering everyone's questions about the Fair Play Policy and responding to others' posts.

-BlueGator456

checkmateibeatu
I can tell when someone is trolling me with aborts when I send two or more seeks in a row and the same person joins within seconds only to abort.
AndTheLittleOneSaid
tickles0815 wrote:

Can s/o pls explain what the Abort button is good for at this point by strict logic? Why not just remove it altogether?


I'm not sure what strict logic is, but I use the button fairly often if my opponent doesn't make a first move quick enough. I don't know if this is a common problem, or I'm just a bit too impatient, but I'm grateful for the option.

sftac

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BlueGator456
tickles0815 wrote:

Can s/o pls explain what the Abort button is good for at this point by strict logic? Why not just remove it altogether?

The best way to go now is to not move at all in hopes the opponent will abort and take the penalty. Works stupendously well. Is that the way how to enforce Fair Play? ... with some questionable algorithmic concoction of a banana stew?


 Well, Chess.com is working to remove the abort button, to where there are only two options: play or resign. If you would have read DeepGreene's first post on this page. But, I think that if you can only resign, then that would also be a problem because what if you are forced to resign, by your opponent stalling? I think they should lose points on their rating and consider it "abandoning the game."

-BlueGator456

blackfirestorm
BlueGator456 wrote:
tickles0815 wrote:

Can s/o pls explain what the Abort button is good for at this point by strict logic? Why not just remove it altogether?

The best way to go now is to not move at all in hopes the opponent will abort and take the penalty. Works stupendously well. Is that the way how to enforce Fair Play? ... with some questionable algorithmic concoction of a banana stew?


 Well, Chess.com is working to remove the abort button, to where there are only two options: play or resign. If you would have read DeepGreene's first post on this page. But, I think that if you can only resign, then that would also be a problem because what if you are forced to resign, by your opponent stalling? I think they should lose points on their rating and consider it "abandoning the game."

-BlueGator456


If the opponent stals then the game gets lost by forfeit doesn't it?

tynmar

No...because the timer doesn't start until each player has made a move....i have been on other gaming sites (not chess) where i have been stuck in game because the other player has just left with no means to abort and fuming because ending the game means a loss.....we are on here to play chess...not to look at 16 opposing pieces still on their own squares....for all we know, the other guy has just realised he needs to go to the shops for a bottle of milk.....

blackfirestorm

Ahh ...

BlueGator456
blackfirestorm666 wrote:
BlueGator456 wrote:
tickles0815 wrote:

Can s/o pls explain what the Abort button is good for at this point by strict logic? Why not just remove it altogether?

The best way to go now is to not move at all in hopes the opponent will abort and take the penalty. Works stupendously well. Is that the way how to enforce Fair Play? ... with some questionable algorithmic concoction of a banana stew?


 Well, Chess.com is working to remove the abort button, to where there are only two options: play or resign. If you would have read DeepGreene's first post on this page. But, I think that if you can only resign, then that would also be a problem because what if you are forced to resign, by your opponent stalling? I think they should lose points on their rating and consider it "abandoning the game."

-BlueGator456


If the opponent stals then the game gets lost by forfeit doesn't it?


 Well, to prevent games from being stuck on Live Chess or to force the player, who is not stalling, to resign and to lose points on their rating, I think the Chess.com computer should make the opponent, who is stalling, to resign after a set amount of time (at least 2 minutes). That way, the good players on Chess.com (behavior-wise) can be seperated from the bad players on Chess.com (behavior-wise). That way, the players on Chess.com, who stall, will have ratings lower than 500, maybe 400, so no players would play them, or tag them with a little symbol next to their name to make sure that they get public embarassment, so they will stop aborting and it can warn other players to not play them to stop all these problems on Chess.com. That would be a very good solution to the aborting problem on Chess.com. Wow, there are alot of posts on this forum! Wink I just meant this forum to help others, not to become a discussion room over the Fair Play Policy problem.

-BlueGator456

BlueGator456

None of this make sense. Players don't gain rating points by not moving on Chess.com! Aborters don't get stalled, they stall us! Disconnecters aren't necessarily stallers, though, you can't control your internet connection, you can only control whether it's on or off.

-BlueGator456

ilikeflags
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BlueGator456
tickles0815 wrote:

Yep, loony bin. Well, I stalled "inconvenient" opponents today until they aborted themselves. Pretty sure they got that green msg telling them better not to continue to abort, so they got penalized. Now imagine those aborters, upon being stalled by me, could only press "resign" along with the conventional rating point transfer. (feature coming soon).


 Dude, you are the worst player on Chess.com I have ever meant. If anything happens like that, I just wait until the server aborts, so it doesn't count against me.

-BlueGator456

poet_d
tickles0815 wrote:

I stalled "inconvenient" opponents today until they aborted themselves. Pretty sure they got that green msg telling them better not to continue to abort, so they got penalized. Now imagine those aborters, upon being stalled by me, could only press "resign" along with the conventional rating point transfer. (feature coming soon).


 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-biggest-dick-moves-in-history-online-gaming/

 

8th?

BlueGator456
tickles0815 wrote:

Pal, there is no abort button midgame. You are thinking and talking about different stalling behaviour. I'm not a bitter-ender either way.


 Oh, I thought you meant during the beginning of the game. I am going to report you for that behavior to the Chess.com staff and hopefully you will be banned.

-BlueGator456