Hmm...officially 1 day after the 1201-1400 tournament started and already you have
twenty+ 1500's, two 1600's, one 1700 and one 1800.
I agree that it is a total crock that the tournament organizers let this happen, when all they would have to do is simply set the minimum number of completed games requirement to 20! Really not that hard of a fix, and yet apparently nobody has learned yet (it just as bad in the Quick Knockout tournament that I am currently in).
@ Teary_Oberon: I'm not referring to members whose rating increased after the match. I'm referring to members whose rating has already increased even before the sorting happens.
@ Teary_Oberon: I'm not referring to members whose rating increased after the match. I'm referring to members whose rating has already increased even before the sorting happens.
Well now I guess you will just have double the problems in that tournament: players who were rated too high from the start and the inevitable players whose ratings will skyrocket above the limit after the tournament starts.
I would be surprised if anybody stays below the rating limit at the end of the first round...
As the saying goes: "stuff happens"
Just learning from it and trying to avoid letting it happen in the future is all you can really do =P
As the saying goes: "stuff happens"
Just learning from it and trying to avoid letting it happen in the future is all you can really do =P
But I do not see any such assurances from chess.com
Are they hoping the problem will go on its own?
As the saying goes: "stuff happens"
Just learning from it and trying to avoid letting it happen in the future is all you can really do =P
But I do not see any such assurances from chess.com
Are they hoping the problem will go on its own?
I guess it has been a software problem that will be easily fixed.
I am one of those overrated players in the 1600-1800 section (only for 60 points), my rating went up to 1800+ well before the tournament start but the tournament homepage reported that the change of group was automatic so i did nothing.
There could be a bug in program. Can the 1800-1600 players be placed to other group, if not kicked out? :(
There could be a bug in program. Can the 1800-1600 players be placed to other group, if not kicked out? :(
I seriously doubt this can be done with several games already started. And i don't see why the over-rated players should be "kicked out", since they can hardly be blamed for the program error.
There could be a bug in program. Can the 1800-1600 players be placed to other group, if not kicked out? :(
I seriously doubt this can be done with several games already started. And i don't see why the over-rated players should be "kicked out", since they can hardly be blamed for the program error.
It is quite difficult... as there are no rules against joining tournament where the rating range is well lower than the player. The 1800 is not a provisional. Many games completed, and is 1800even in bullet chess.....
How come he could enter the 1200-1400 group in the first place...???
Maybe he is not the same player, but the 1800 player in your section i have looked at has only 26 completed online games, and is a chess.com member only since march. It's quite likely that he registered to the tournament afted having played only 1 or 2 games, when his rating was well below 1800. For example i have started playing "online chess" only a month ago, i have 22 completed games and at the registration time i was around 1650 (with 5 or 6 games).
I partially understand your feelings but remember that he too is unlikely to be happy for the situation. I am sure the problem will be fixed for the next edition, it shold require very little work.
It's not so simple.
1)after removing the players the resulting groups are weaker than the "legal" ones. (they lack the strongest player, the one close to 1400 that legal groups do have) This would be unfair to the other groups. Only solution would be to resort all groups without >limit players, but this is impossible with some games already well advanced.
2)what would you do with the >limit players? certainly not kicking them out of the whole tournament, since they have no responsability for what happened.
Maybe adding them to the respective class? but in what group? How can this be made fairly?
It would be a headache to make the arrangement for the awesome overrated players.
It would be of paramount importance to make sure that the similar situation will not happen again. Should a programming fix will not be possible soon, a manual sweep of over-rated players should be done for events starting soon.
P.S.
Bow to the superior players in our groups. Let's hope we can learn sonething from those vistors.
It's not so simple.
1)after removing the players the resulting groups are weaker than the "legal" ones. (they lack the strongest player, the one close to 1400 that legal groups do have) This would be unfair to the other groups. Only solution would be to resort all groups without >limit players, but this is impossible with some games already well advanced.
2)what would you do with the >limit players? certainly not kicking them out of the whole tournament, since they have no responsability for what happened.
Maybe adding them to the respective class? but in what group? How can this be made fairly?
It IS simple!
1) Groups which have the over 1400s removed are simply a bit easier to get through. This makes little difference in the tournament. If a group has only 5 players (or even 4), it is still the best player that progresses, and by round 2 every new group should have 6 players in it.
2) I know players over 1400 are not responsible for what has happened, but they have no place in a tournament for 1200-1400. The first step is to remove them from the tournament they have no place being part of. Create a new 1400+ tournament and they can join that if they so wish.
OK guys, I see a lot of frustrations about how this tournament is being run. When I joined I was below 1400. Now I am 1426. The rules stated that if a player went out of the range before the start of the tournament, then that player would be automatically moved to his correspondet group (or tournament?). I thought I was going to be placed in a group in the range of 1401-1600 or maybe one that is below 1500 but that never happened. To do so, I think it would only be fair for all the players in the tournament including myself. This message is for the director(s) of the tournament; please, move us (those out of the tournament range) to our cerresponding tournament based on our ratings. It doesn't matter what it takes. If you need to re-sort the groups, then you should. Only like that you will have a fair tournament. Leaving it as is would be a mess and would not be fair to all the players in this tournament. Come on guys, if you were able to put the tournament together, then you can fix it. Don't let this mess go on. I would move myself to my corresponding category, but I don't think I am able to do that. That is something that only the director(s) of the tournament can do as they are the only ones who have the control of it. I know this implies a little extra effort, but hey, that is one of your responsibilities as a director of a tournament. Lets get on it.
I understand that when you win a game against another player, your score goes up. When you set up a tournament (in my opinion) you should also set up an average maximum that the player can go up to once the tournament start. For example, you set up a tournament 1200-1400 with a maximum grace score of 1450 or 1500 to be accumulated after the tournament starts. Doing this, the players that are close to 1400 at the start of the tournament can stay in if his score goes above 1400, but would be moved to another tournament if his score goes above the established maximum of 1450 or 1500. It is like paying a loan when you know that the due date is the 1st of the month but you have until the 15th to pay without penalty.
Dears,
I am one of the people have this problem, my current rate is 1904 and I am in a group of 1600-1800.... So it is not good for me and others as well.
Still, I see that Chess.com is making a lot of great efforts here, and a lot is for free, so it would be sensible for me just to let it goes for now... especially, one of the stuff has apologized two times in the forum for the mistake ... Appearantly thet would have to make sure it doesnt happen again.....
For now, I just enjoy the games, regardless of the rating!
Hi,
I registered in the following tournament
http://www.chess.com/tournament/11th-chesscom-thematic-tournament---blackmar-diemer-gambit-1201-1400
What I noticed is that 142 members are above 1400 ratings. I initially thought these people might have won the match when the sorting happens, but when I looked into one of the members online chess details, the member has already reached 1800+ well advance in days.
I'm sure those members will be feeling to miss out tournament in their ratings. Even more the friends in 1200-1400 will be feeling bad having no chance of succeding against those players. Can chess.com do anything about it? I'm sure it is problem for them also as many matches are already started (and maybe some of them are completed!!).
Imayavan