Higher rated players are included in chess.com tournament

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brusselsshrek

El_Senior, you miss the point.  The tournament was supposed to be for 1200-1400 players, but many players were allowed to START the tournament when their ratings are outside this range.  Sure, players grades change all the time, and so during the tournament the grades may go outside this range, but it is a farce to create a tournament for this range and let anybody outside the range start.  Most likely, the tournament for 1200-1400 players will be won by a player who started the tournament as a 1800+!!

TadDude
El_Senior wrote:
brusselsshrek wrote:

El_Senior, you miss the point.  The tournament was supposed to be for 1200-1400 players, but many players were allowed to START the tournament when their ratings are outside this range.  Sure, players grades change all the time, and so during the tournament the grades may go outside this range, but it is a farce to create a tournament for this range and let anybody outside the range start.  Most likely, the tournament for 1200-1400 players will be won by a player who started the tournament as a 1800+!!

Just because I embarassed you doesn't mean I missed the point. 

If the tournament is for players rated between 1200-1400 when they sign up, then it's inappropriate (and stupid) to boot everyone who has played games in the meantime and now their rating is either below 1200 or above 1400 (interesting footnote, 200 ratings points is a rather narrow range). 

You might as well make it an "open" tournament, if participants are not allowed to win, lose, or draw other inprogress games while waiting for your event to begin. 

Using the example you gave (and other ignorant TD's have griped about in prior threads) if players won't be allowed to win games and win tournaments because some vindictive (or uneducated) TD's going to boot them when their ratings increase, are you not encouraging them to sandbag and throw a few games? 


Normally in official tournaments, players are not booted, they are moved just prior to the start so everyone is in the stated range. This failed to happen for the first time in the history of chess.com in the most recently started tournaments.

Opinions do not enter the conversation here. It was a stated condition of the tournament. It did not happen. See post #6 by staff member dajacca. "it was a mistake. We are sorry.

brusselsshrek
The biggest problem is that it was stated it would be a tournament for 1200-1400 players and it is not. Apologies from the staff are good; fixing the problem would be better (by not allowing anyone who was inelligible to be in this tournament - i.e. those over 1400 at the start - to progress to the next round).
Chemwong

This is an #1 advance tournament. There is really no chance to compete against a 1700+ player, even if they give us draw odds or play f3/f6 openings :(

terricola

I have tried to join tournaments by mistake and have been unable to do so when I have gotten a message stating; "Your score is too high to join this tournament".  This is the type of filter that the director(s) apparently did not include in the settings of this tournament and that is why you got people with any score to be able to join.  They set the rules in writting (1200-1400) but they forgot to set the filter that prevents those high ranking players from joining.  Hence this tournament is being run as an OPEN tournament and not as a limited 1200-1400 one.  These high ranking players may have joined by mistake or some may have done it intentionally.  Whatever the case, this should be a lesson for the director(s) in the future to INCLUDE THE FILTER whenever they set up a limited tournament.  Without the filter, anyone would be able to join as an OPEN tournament and there are many open tournaments out there.     

jaydeeuk1

What does it mean when status is 'removed'? Is it voluntary or booted by an admin? I'm playing in a u1600 tournie, and one player who was 1960 was 'removed' despite having played and won all games in 1st round (was a 1300 rating at time). Very unfair if that is the case imo.

http://www.chess.com/tournaments/players.html?id=25658

Martin_Stahl
jaydeeuk1 wrote:

What does it mean when status is 'removed'? Is it voluntary or booted by an admin? I'm playing in a u1600 tournie, and one player who was 1960 was 'removed' despite having played and won all games in 1st round (was a 1300 rating at time). Very unfair if that is the case imo.

http://www.chess.com/tournaments/players.html?id=25658


If you follow through to the player's profile you would see that the account has been closed.

maapalaa
Martin_Stahl wrote:
jaydeeuk1 wrote:

What does it mean when status is 'removed'? Is it voluntary or booted by an admin? I'm playing in a u1600 tournie, and one player who was 1960 was 'removed' despite having played and won all games in 1st round (was a 1300 rating at time). Very unfair if that is the case imo.

http://www.chess.com/tournaments/players.html?id=25658


If you follow through to the player's profile you would see that the account has been closed.


There are multiple reasons for the player to be "removed".

If a user closes his account (as in this case), he is "removed" from the tournament

The TD (tournament director) has the right to "remove" a player from the tournament. Usually chess.com staff don't do this. In other tournaments rarely people are removed. For e.g. if the tournament is created for player with <1300 and a new user registered. By the time the tournment starts and new user reaches 2000+, the player could be forcibly removed from the tournament by TD. The player could "withdrew" himself from the tournament. 

One thing for sure all the matches are terminated. It is not clear whether they are treated as time-outs or not. It is also not clear how the ratings are affected.

pbpostma

but higher rated players still lose on time!

JakeTarallo

I'd be delighted to play higher rated players.  Each game against a higher rated opponent is simply a game to make you better.  Your rating shouldn't matter.