Vote Chess matches are ruined for teamplay

My English is not that good, maybe your question has already been answered and I missed it. The reason you can't see who voted here is because the move came with a check.

Again it is not possible to see who has voted for a move

@JDCannon can you please check and repair

example https://www.chess.com/votechess/game/278477

I just checked a game and I could see who voted. It seems inconsistent at the moment.

Apparently when a check is given, then the "feature" of not seeing the votes is still present. See also the entry #108 from @newbie4711.

This means they hastily (=troublesome) "fixed" this. I guess the code is that buggy with patch upon patch, that noone fully understands it anymore. I think the documentation is not very well done and especially where there is a lot of change of personnel, this leads to problems.

But at least with this forum we have the attention, so I guess they will do something about it.

But I still think they should communicate better about fixing stuff. In everyone's interest.

Avoiding a lot of frustration as well. Come on, chess.com, you can do it if you really want!

I am confused. What is the logic behind not seeing who has voted in case of a given check?

No logic at all Andrea, merely one of the many coding errors by developers on this site.

If I understand you well @Kookaburrra, @Wouterkabouter and @Stephen_33 it is like this

The issue of not being able to see who voted for a move with a check is a pre-existing bug. I ran into it in the past. So the latest fix put us back where we were before but does not fix everything.

I would like to see, at minimum, a vote chess style similar to Chess Olympiad team play. Each side has a private huddle to discuss strategy, tactics, the next move etc. But a team captain making the final board moves.

I've all but given up on vote chess - its like there are people determined to make the worse move on purpose

@KrisKross059 - you need to join some clubs that take their vote chess seriously?

There are quite a few aound if you search.

Then we get their names and never let them play on at least that particular team.

Yes, that's exactly what I think, and what other colleagues here also agree with. There should be a change in the concept of this game mode. A free, random, solitary vote, without the approval of the team, can destroy the entire team strategy, and perhaps the game. This should not be allowed. A captain appointed by the team should be responsible for managing all the suggestions from the team members, and determining together with the team through consensus, which move is decided for that play. Then only the captain should have access to the system to input the team's move. I believe that this change should not be difficult to be implemented by Chess.com's systems programmers. This would eliminate a good part of the problems that teams have, with players who are not committed to the team, and with cheating players.

There are 2 arguments against the "captain votes" concept and why I do not support it

1. If the captain does not manage to vote, the whole team loses by timeout. Currently this is prevented by votes from the team.

2. In teams are often thrilling results of 50% : 50% where noone knows until the end which move will be chosen. To hand over the decision to the vote captain means giving him the responsibility to decide. Then we do not have any longer a team play but a captains play.

To avoid stupid voters in the team, you need to see who has voted what, so you can remove them. This is what this forum is for and what we are requesting from chess.com

... Maybe banish them to a worse move league until they repent!

I agree with you, these are remote possibilities, but they can happen. In the case of item 1, the captain could anticipate and impute a move, based on the team's initial suggestions, and then correct it at the end. In other words, it would have to be a program, where the captain can insert or remove moves from the system, up to the time limit. In the case of item 2, 50%-50%, I defend that the captain duly appointed by the team should be a person of total responsibility and commitment (to the team and to time), and obviously with chess knowledge above the team's average. Therefore, the deciding vote should be credited to him/her. In the case of the last item, I completely agree with you. In the current model, we need to see who voted and how they voted, and warn/exclude players who hinder the team. In the model I am proposing, there will not be this problem. I appreciate you opening this forum, because all of us, "Vote Chess" club administrators, really need Chess.com to resolve these forum issues/bugs in question, quickly and efficiently.

I should have been more precise. I would like to see some crafted options with one option being the captain vote among others. For those who enjoy pure "democracy chess" I don't want to take their fun away from them - they should be able to enjoy such games.

I definitely agree that "captain vote chess" has a different set of problems than "democracy chess". Certainly a poor captain can ruin a game just as badly as a cast of minions who are determined to inflict a poor move. Personally, I haven't been in many games with a final 50-50 split at time. Also, I hadn't thought about it, but I don't actually know how the moves were chosen in those circumstances.

Peace to you - KK

I'd be glad for any suggestions of clubs worth joining!

Well one I am in appears to be taking the vote game very seriously

But there is a lot of " discussion" there too

Maybe not for you ?

@KrisKross059 - Captain-only voting would be a cure worse than the disease.
The vote chess format is fine. Rogue voters are only an issue for small, undisciplined teams. Once your team is big & disciplined enough so the winning move consistently gets 5+ votes, rogue voters stop being a problem.
If you want to join a good VC team, look at who's playing in the KOVCL or 1WL vote chess leagues. You'll have dozens of good options to choose from.