Disconnect in live Chess and lose?

Until you solve your frequent (more than annual? monthly?) disconnection issue, I urge you switch to (ugh!) online chess (correspondence but at least no postage is involved), and away from "live" chess (rated games, anyway). 

At some point I suspect this site may flag you as an abuser (someone who disconnects 'too frequently' in live chess games), and there may be a penalty imposed for that.  Whether you do it for personal reasons or equipment/connection issues, the end result impacts the rest of us just the same.

I don't use a router, but restarting one sounds like a bit deal.

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This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of and all of you are too dense to get my point. WHY can I legally (according to the server) run down my timer on purpose for thirty minutes, but a DC of three minutes is considered abuse and results in a loss even in a position where my opponent only had a king. Can someone tell me the logic behind the following:

I have three pawns vs a lone king, I spend thirty minutes staring at my screen, the game ends on time and the game is drawn.

I have three pawns vs a lone king, I dc for two minutes and the game is forfeited (even though my opponent only had a king) and I'm considered an abuser of the system.

You are right. You disconnect for 3 minutes and get punished. You let the clock run out for 30 minutes, without moving, making other person waste not 3 but 30 minutes, but that's alright. Total nonsense.

Chungle already explained that and throwing insults around isn't likely to make people more inclined to try to be helpful.

Some people will just disconnect in a lost position instead of resigning, that is why if you disconnect for long enough it ends the game. If you are still connected there is no easy way to tell if you have just left the game or are thinking for a long time.

Sometimes the disconnection rule will catch an innocent victim like you, but in general if someone disconnects for more than the time limit, either they're not coming back or they're losing enough time that the game is probably over anyway. It certainly could be made smarter, but it would be a lot of work to handle a relatively rare occurrence.

By the way, you don't need to worry about being considered an abuser unless this is really happening in quite a lot of your games.

Yes, you are right. It's not fair. Fortunately, it happens much less frequently than people disconnecting on purpose in losing positions, a problem which moved hundreds of people to write in and complain over the years.

You have been a member here for six years and only now have written your first few posts. It can't be that frequent of a problem.

In evaluating whether or not to shorten the allowed disconnection time, Chess.com had to decide if it was willing to very occasionally piss off people like you in order to pacify the hundreds or thousands of other users who were calling for blood. Guess which side won?

You are right though, that if someone just lets the clock run down without disconnecting there should be consequences for that.

Its dumb but thats the way it is. Get over it. Once I had someone dc on me and 5 mins later I received the loss.  No one cared then,  no one cares now. Its just the way the server is here and I dont think they have anyone addressing these issues. Check out Lichess.org I havent had any problems with their live chess... yet lol

Even harded consequences than disconnecting in a long game I'd say.

Now someone will tell you that you signed up for a 30 minutes game and that's what you get. If you dont want to wait, then sign up for a shorter game and if your time is so precious what are you doing here instead of discovering a cure to cancer or something. And there is something right about it, you signed up for a 30 minutes game, but that means a game, not wasting your time. I read in a post by Erik himself that those players are in a pool to play among them. But I have never done that, I always resign or get mated and still get paired with then...

Still not a single person addressing why I can lose an impossible to lose position due to a dc but not on time. Why, why, why, why? There is no rationale behind this. Having a drawn game actually be a draw is somehow pissing off thousands of users? Sure thing. Lots of dumb people tit.

I think it was said already. Your game was forfeited automatically (maybe as a punishment).

Ideally it would look at that position and declare it a draw. But as said before, most people who disconnect are just sore losers and jerks and Chess.com hasn't put much effort into handling the innocent disconnectors like you because they are such a small minority.

First of all what's the incentive to dc on purpose over just running the timer out?

Rage quitting lol im sure youve had someone dc on you 1 move away from mate.

You're allowed a certain number of offenses before getting put into the other pool, to avoid punishing people like the OP with genuine connection problems.

Yes.. And why is that worse for me than them rage quitting by letting their timer run out?

The rule is there because many people disconnect on purpose.  Sad but there it is. Presumably chess.com knows if you have disconnected, but can not tell if you are just thinking of your next move.

That is one of the great unsolved mysteries, but a lot more disconnect than just run out the timer. I guess they don't want to sit and stare at the game where they just got beat.

Sad lack of logic in everyone's reasoning here... I mean come on.

1. Assuming someone does dc on purpose why is that worse for the other player than someone just running the timer out?

2. How is dcing fundamentally different from any other way to stall the game?

Btw I do think theres a limit of letting the timer run. Ive seen game abandons where the person didnt dc. I dont dc when losing id just resign even if it was in rage but im going to guess for the people who do it, that they just exit the whole browser in rage as to not even see the game anymore. But as someone else said they consider dc worse becasue its impossible for them to tell if someone is letting the timer run out of spite.