Fools mate...

Upsets me that so many of the kids just bring the Q out and start taking anything they can...it sure makes a mess is a person wants to plan any positions. that fools mate stuff is not really playing a game..no art to that........

So do your best to kill the queen, then they'll learn that it's not a good idea. 

I'm just laughing, can't help it

 WoosShover..........your right when they lose the Q most can't play very good after that..and even quit.

 Just wondering if you are laughing at me being upset over the Q doing the early out........or kill the lady and teach them to play the art of chess instead of just take and re-take. LOL

 Capture, not kill.  We don't kill chess pieces.  We take them prisioner.

So many times I get a game going and one of two things happens. The person will let the entire time run out and not make a move...just leaving me there waiting. OR there 1st move brings out the Q and a B going for fools mate in few moves. Just stopping this can run any way of developing a strong system. I have to bring out a Q and maybe trade.........or I have to move my king and then can't castle. Why can't people just play some normal moves and let the game form it's own way?

Bringing out the Queen and Bishop in the first 3 moves usually means they are going for Scholar's Mate. Fools mate really is a "fools" mate and I have only seen it against a very inexperienced player; though I have mated someone with white in a fool's mate type position (more moves and normally white is the one mated in fools mate).

That said, a lot of players play for a quick win. Especially against lower rated players. I was at a scholastic tournament with my son and it amazed me how many games were over in a few minutes, presumably due to Scholar's Mate. I see the same openings with more experienced, attacking players, but more often than not it really isn't a benefit as it is easy to defend against the mate and White will often lose tempo when you start attacking the Queen allowing for better developement.

Even then, those are "normal moves" and you have to learn how to defend against all types of attacks.

Hi Choc, there's nothing wrong with your original post.  It's something on your mind and you're throwing it out there for some discussion.. There's nothing wrong with that.

As with most online forums, this one has a small group of frequent users who spend most of their energy here making sarcastic remarks, criticizing, and just generally making fun of posts by others.  It's their prefered choice of entertainment.  Each to their own but it's best not to pay any mind to these people.

About your comments suggesting that when the opponent brings out the Queen and/or Bishop early it ruins your development, sometimes forcing you to bring out your Queen, needing to trade the Queens, or sometimes needing to move your king without castling:  I think you are mistaken on these assumptions.

When someone brings out the Queen early, you usually get to develop pieces and castle much quicker because their Queen is often attacked by you simply developing pieces to their normal squares.  All the while the opponent is moving their Queen around while you are developing pieces and castling.  So it should be an advantage to you when the other Queen comes out early.

With proper development you should almost never be forced to bring out your Queen, trade Queens, or move your King without castling unless the opponent sacrifices something to force one of these things.  If you are commonly being forced into even one of these in a given game it is almost invariably through mistakes in your own piece development, or missing or incorrectly responding to the opponent's feeble and premature threats from Queen and Bishop.

If you have any doubts, when you see me online hit me up for a few 5/0 unrated practice games where you can bring out your Queen and/or Bishop as many ways as you want and you will see how easy it is to respond by simply developing both Knights, the King's Bishop, and Castleing with no trouble whatsoever.  It will also give you some games to look over to get an idea of a good setup to punish opponents who bring out the Old Girl to early.

EnterTheDragon…thanks for your intelligent comments on my post. I do confuse scholars/fools mate in my wording. It is mostly the same in that early movement trying for a quick win seems to become not a chess game, but a mess. I never try to use those tactics unless others are up to trying it. Then I have found they are so absorbed in the quickness that they can over look having the same situation come upon them.

I agree with you that thinking about pieces being developed is a good way to go in any game. And yes I know about how forums can get down and somewhat nasty when it comes to peoples way of discussing things. I am just an old fellow who enjoyed chess when played as an art and not just grab any old thing you can at the price of not accomplishing any position.

I will work on not having to bring out a Q and trade or move the K and not being about to castle.

Good to hear from you

Choc2010

I say you let them do it. As many people have already said, it makes them lose their tempo and you will eventually win. Sometimes chess isn't about memorizing positions you gotta be able to adapt to your enemy's strategy. That's what makes chess interesting sometimes