is it legal to use a seperate board?
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Don t think so
Jan 1, 2023
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#42
baddogno wrote:
This is about the tenth time I've seen this discussed in the forums. We always seem to come to the same conclusion. Yes it's technically illegal in live chess since a second board would not be allowed OTB. However since there is no way to enforce the rule it seems OK unless you are using that board to move pieces around and do analysis on.
What's this talk of a second board for OTB? In OTB you already have a physical 3D board to look at. A physical board used along with online play is only emulating the OTB experience, not violating it (provided you're not using it to shift pieces around to play out different scenarios).
JF_THE_BEST wrote:
verylate a écrit :
would it be acceptable in OTB play to have two sets at once? To set up your game on your pocket set (for example) and study that while ignoring the position on your game board? Maybe take the pocket set to the bathroom with you so you could study it there? How about your mobile phone, or your laptop? Oh, but I find it so noisy and distracting in the tournament hall, you don't mind if I take my tablet to the car and look at the game on my that, do you? It's not as though I'm moving the pieces on it, trust me. Any RL tournament directors care to weigh in on that? Setting up the second physical board at home while playing "live" chess is exactly the same thing. Oh, but I have such a hard time seeing the physical board properly, the pieces are too heavy/light/awkward, I'm not used to moving the pieces with my hands, I get distracted looking for the mouse that isn't there... if you have a reason for setting up a physical board playing online, then there is an equivalent reason for doing the same in OTB chess. Oh, but I'm not moving the pieces, I'm only looking at them, from the privacy of the bathroom/my car/my hotel room. I'd love to hear what a real life arbiter would say about that.
That all said, there is at least one precedent for this. During one of the matches with Kortchnoi, Spassky got up from the board and walked over to stare at the demonstration board. Repeatedly. I don't know if it's because Spassky didn't like the board, or found it was easier for him to concentrate standing on his feet or whatever, but yes he was using a second board. And no, he didn't move them around to analyze. And no, the arbiter didn't intervene.
Let me anwser you easely , what if someone who played chess all of his life otb , when internet was not invented and in 2019 (like me and im only 42) try it for the first time and got completly messup with the screen setup , losing my repair on the board , resulting in me not being able to use my full , normal potentiel for online game vs opponent wich are used to play on screen and online , i call it unfair . Chess was invented to play on a board , not on computer screen in the first place .
when online players go to play otb for the first time they’re not allowed to get their phones out and look on a flat screen just because they’re unused to playing on a physical board. learn to play online. nothing unfair about it.
Yea
Jan 5, 2023
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#45
ilovestress a écrit :
JF_THE_BEST wrote:
verylate a écrit :
would it be acceptable in OTB play to have two sets at once? To set up your game on your pocket set (for example) and study that while ignoring the position on your game board? Maybe take the pocket set to the bathroom with you so you could study it there? How about your mobile phone, or your laptop? Oh, but I find it so noisy and distracting in the tournament hall, you don't mind if I take my tablet to the car and look at the game on my that, do you? It's not as though I'm moving the pieces on it, trust me. Any RL tournament directors care to weigh in on that? Setting up the second physical board at home while playing "live" chess is exactly the same thing. Oh, but I have such a hard time seeing the physical board properly, the pieces are too heavy/light/awkward, I'm not used to moving the pieces with my hands, I get distracted looking for the mouse that isn't there... if you have a reason for setting up a physical board playing online, then there is an equivalent reason for doing the same in OTB chess. Oh, but I'm not moving the pieces, I'm only looking at them, from the privacy of the bathroom/my car/my hotel room. I'd love to hear what a real life arbiter would say about that.
That all said, there is at least one precedent for this. During one of the matches with Kortchnoi, Spassky got up from the board and walked over to stare at the demonstration board. Repeatedly. I don't know if it's because Spassky didn't like the board, or found it was easier for him to concentrate standing on his feet or whatever, but yes he was using a second board. And no, he didn't move them around to analyze. And no, the arbiter didn't intervene.
Let me anwser you easely , what if someone who played chess all of his life otb , when internet was not invented and in 2019 (like me and im only 42) try it for the first time and got completly messup with the screen setup , losing my repair on the board , resulting in me not being able to use my full , normal potentiel for online game vs opponent wich are used to play on screen and online , i call it unfair . Chess was invented to play on a board , not on computer screen in the first place .
when online players go to play otb for the first time they’re not allowed to get their phones out and look on a flat screen just because they’re unused to playing on a physical board. learn to play online. nothing unfair about it.
Online game exist since 20 years ago , chess otb exist since 1500 years ago , and you come here and tell me that online game prevail ... no way , never
It's definitely illegal.
Jan 7, 2023
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#47
There are electronic chess boards such as Chessnut Air and Chessup that can interface with lichess and chess.com so you can make moves on the physical board instead of with a mouse or touchscreen. Why would those boards be able to do that if physical boards were against the rules?
Firebrandx wrote:
Good luck busting anyone using a physical board during a rapid game. I mean seriously, how on earth would you enforce, much less have evidence of that?
Rapid games aren't long enough to make deep analyses using a physical board
Jan 7, 2023
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#49
i would like to think if all you are doing is setting up a board to see the exact same thing in OTB format, then it is de facto allowed.
now if you begin moving pieces around, beyond what has been played thats a no no. Thats outside assistance to your visualization. Similarly, in an OTB tournament, you cant write your own thought process or draw resulting positions
Jan 8, 2023
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#50
I've decided to play on screen so I don't offend anybody. They argue that 3D gives you an advantage over 2D. They say you could be moving the pieces around to cheat. They say it's against the rules. I don't want to argue or be sneaky about it. So I guess I'll just go along with it.
Jan 8, 2023
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#51
darkunorthodox88 a écrit :
i would like to think if all you are doing is setting up a board to see the exact same thing in OTB format, then it is de facto allowed.
now if you begin moving pieces around, beyond what has been played thats a no no.
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Thats outside assistance to your visualization
"". Similarly, in an OTB tournament, you cant write your own thought process or draw resulting positions
Then isn't the arrow on the computer screen also an outside assistance to your visualisation ?
BlackaKhan wrote:
There are electronic chess boards such as Chessnut Air and Chessup that can interface with lichess and chess.com so you can make moves on the physical board instead of with a mouse or touchscreen. Why would those boards be able to do that if physical boards were against the rules?
Manufacturers fill a perceived need even if there are rules against using their products in competitions. Think about golf clubs that PGA has rules against using, metal bats that major league baseball has rules against using, auto parts that NASCAR or Grand Prix racing has rules against using, etc.
Jan 8, 2023
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#53
jetoba wrote:
BlackaKhan wrote:
There are electronic chess boards such as Chessnut Air and Chessup that can interface with lichess and chess.com so you can make moves on the physical board instead of with a mouse or touchscreen. Why would those boards be able to do that if physical boards were against the rules?
Manufacturers fill a perceived need even if there are rules against using their products in competitions. Think about golf clubs that PGA has rules against using, metal bats that major league baseball has rules against using, auto parts that NASCAR or Grand Prix racing has rules against using, etc.
Those leagues have specific rules, specifications, and examples for what equipment is allowed and what isn't. They don't leave it up to a vague phrase like "no outside assistance".
Chess.com knows about electronic boards which can interface with the site, and their engineers can detect their usage during live play and ban them, but they haven't.
Jan 8, 2023
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#54
Chess.com actually had to code the ability for the site to interface with those electronic boards.
Jan 9, 2023
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#55
Hi, MGleason! Good to hear from you.
I haven't yet managed to play with my DGT board on Chess.com, which is one of the reasons I rarely play live chess here. An earlier comment mentioned it not being allowed to use a DGT board on live chess--is this true?
DGT technology is fabulous, and is used all the time in FIDE tournaments, because it allows display to live and virtual audiences. Modern day wall boards 
Of course, those official games are monitored by on site arbiters, which is different than the thousands of remote live chess tournaments we are talking about here. Is there really a tech difference in ease of cheating with or without a DGT board in live chess?
Jan 9, 2023
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#56
Impractical wrote:
Hi, MGleason! Good to hear from you.
I haven't yet managed to play with my DGT board on Chess.com, which is one of the reasons I rarely play live chess here. An earlier comment mentioned it not being allowed to use a DGT board on live chess--is this true?
Some are saying you can't use a physical board of any type, whether it's DGT or a plain old wooden board.
I don't think that's true, given that chess.com and lichess have protocols that accept moves from those boards. And if allowed to use a DGT or other electronic board with physical pieces, why not a plain old board?
Jan 9, 2023
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#57
Impractical wrote:
Hi, MGleason! Good to hear from you.
I haven't yet managed to play with my DGT board on Chess.com, which is one of the reasons I rarely play live chess here. An earlier comment mentioned it not being allowed to use a DGT board on live chess--is this true?
DGT technology is fabulous, and is used all the time in FIDE tournaments, because it allows display to live and virtual audiences. Modern day wall boards Of course, those official games are monitored by on site arbiters, which is different than the thousands of remote live chess tournaments we are talking about here. Is there really a tech difference in ease of cheating with or without a DGT board in live chess?
Hey, it's been a while!
DGT boards are permitted, and chess.com has some explicit support for them, but you'll need to enable them in your settings.
Have you looked at this page? https://support.chess.com/article/1257-how-can-i-play-with-a-dgt-board
If that doesn't help you, you probably need to contact support. I don't have a DGT board and have never tried to use one, so I can't give much technical help with this.
I thought there was a special rule for blind chessplayers, who could use a small peg board with special pieces. But as far as I knew, it was strictly illegal for everyone else.
Jan 11, 2023
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#59
quadibloc wrote:
I thought there was a special rule for blind chessplayers, who could use a small peg board with special pieces. But as far as I knew, it was strictly illegal for everyone else.
That's a rule for OTB tournaments. Blind players are allowed to use a second board where they can feel the board and pieces.
But if you're using a physical board to replicate the online board, there's still only one physical board in use.
MGleason wrote:
Impractical wrote:
Hi, MGleason! Good to hear from you.
I haven't yet managed to play with my DGT board on Chess.com, which is one of the reasons I rarely play live chess here. An earlier comment mentioned it not being allowed to use a DGT board on live chess--is this true?
DGT technology is fabulous, and is used all the time in FIDE tournaments, because it allows display to live and virtual audiences. Modern day wall boards Of course, those official games are monitored by on site arbiters, which is different than the thousands of remote live chess tournaments we are talking about here. Is there really a tech difference in ease of cheating with or without a DGT board in live chess?
Hey, it's been a while!
DGT boards are permitted, and chess.com has some explicit support for them, but you'll need to enable them in your settings.
Have you looked at this page? https://support.chess.com/article/1257-how-can-i-play-with-a-dgt-board
If that doesn't help you, you probably need to contact support. I don't have a DGT board and have never tried to use one, so I can't give much technical help with this.
@IfPatriotGames, see my most recent comment. If you're using a physical board as an analysis board to try out different moves as an aid to visualisation, that's definitely against the rules (albeit difficult to enforce).
If you're just copying the moves from the game to see the position on a physical board rather than on-screen, it might technically be against the rules but isn't a big deal.
Did you change your opinion on this? Because at first you said you thought it was against the rules, but DGT is a physical board to move the pieces in connection with the game, right? So we can have a physical board set up to replicate the pieces.