One-minute games aren't chess regardless of how they're played.
(Unless immortalgamer is in it, apparently.)
Pre-move is cheating
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you can have pre-moves in live chess? I didn't even know that
Jul 7, 2009
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where in the laws of chess does it say you can move a piece with a mouse? :D i'd recommend you not play 1 minute. i only play chess with increment time (generally 2 min, 2 sec increment) to avoid time being a factor.
how do you pre-move?
Jul 7, 2009
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#6
Totally agree that it's one of the non-chess tools available to the 1 min player.
Nowhere in the rules of chess does it say you can drink juice while playing either. Juice must be cheating too.
And one minute games aren't chess -- they're pure woodpushing.
Jul 7, 2009
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#8
One minute games are NOT woodpushing -- in fact one has to add exactly what kind of one minute game you're talking about. If it's on the internet, everything depends on whether the site has premove, and if so what's the average lag. What's the interface like?
They're a bit of a different game. But woodpushing suggests that whoever is better at pushing wood will win, and I haven't found that to be the case. It's better to say that being good at chess is only one of several relevant skills.
So -- dare I say -- 1 min chess is actually a more complex game! (-:
When I play it's woodpushing. Perhaps that speaks to my skill level though....
Jul 7, 2009
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#10
If a G/90 ends up a blitz game, then it sounds like someone is not good at clock management.
The ol' slippery slope! If one min. games aren't chess, are five minute games? Ten, twenty?
Apparently, even 90 isn't enough for it to be chess.
The same is true of track and field: Where is the cutoff between sprints and distance running? I think it's clear that the 100m isn't a distance event -- yes it's still running, but it requires very different conditioning than a marathon does and conditioning for one can be harmful to your abilities in the other.
Well, it appears our chess overlords have already decided this for us... anything under G/60 is rapidplay.
Aye. So it comes down to personal preference and ability. Still, running is running and chess is chess.
Funny comments about drinking juice...
The over-the-board equivalent would be to pick up a piece and hold it on a square before your opponent had even moved.
The main problem is that it distorts the games. People 'play' for positions where they can use pre-move and win on time. It's a curious way to want to win.
In my experience playing OTB 5 minute blitz games feels very different from games with significantly more time to move. However, it is still chess, just under different conditions. Also, it's not woodpushing if you can wrap your head around it and focus. Playing timed mating/escape puzzles rapidly has helped me a lot in blitz games.
I thought that pre-moves were part and parcel of quick online games. It's not cheating, it's part of the game.
just a tool
That was kind of harsh....
I don't even think 40 minutes are enough. You can hardly play positional chess at anything under 40, you can't generate deep enough ideas without going into time pressure. I play 30 5 live. I would still like it longer, but playing this long on live takes time when I'm home. I play blitz sometimes, but it does not require the most knowledge. Most blitz players can get away with attack at all costs, which is about a tenth of chess. It's in long chess where you have to use all of your knowledge into finding the best moves and also when you have to calculate most deeply.
Isn't it?
Where in the laws of chess is it possible?
There's nothing more squalid than an opponent in a one-minute game, a piece down and 10 seconds down, desperately trying to exchange queens so that pre-move can be safely used. Normally, they end up winning, but it's not chess.