Elubas, two GMs playing 1 minute are seeing as much and having as many ideas as you and I would in a match at G/30. So, are the GMs playing chess, or are we not?
That's not true, of course. They make mistakes, sometimes they hang pieces, sometimes they throw pieces in the end like any other bullet player. Here is such a game:
http://www.chess.com/article/view/winning-against-nakamura
Many other examples can be found easily.
Elubas, two GMs playing 1 minute are seeing as much and having as many ideas as you and I would in a match at G/30. So, are the GMs playing chess, or are we not?
I'm going to say, that we're the ones not! It just takes really good bullet players to make it chess, otherwise it's not.
So even if I play G/30 I'm not playing chess? That's disappointing.
Elubas, two GMs playing 1 minute are seeing as much and having as many ideas as you and I would in a match at G/30. So, are the GMs playing chess, or are we not?
I'm going to say, that we're the ones not! It just takes really good bullet players to make it chess, otherwise it's not.
So even if I play G/30 I'm not playing chess? That's disappointing.
No I mean a bullet chess game between amateur players isn't really chess.
Well, I didn't actually ask if patzer's playing 1 minute was chess.
But it's an odd thing that whether or not a game is chess depends on who's playing it. I'd hate to teach someone the game and then tell them that because they're so bad at it, they're not even really playing chess.
Among others it's true of juggling....
I wonder how well I have to play before it's chess. Maybe I've never actually played a game.
Well, I didn't actually ask if patzer's playing 1 minute was chess.
But it's an odd thing that whether or not a game is chess depends on who's playing it. I'd hate to teach someone the game and then tell them that because they're so bad at it, they're not even really playing chess.
Well it's nothing personal, it just takes a lot of skill (at least one minute skill!) for a 1 minute game to be at all accurate and sophisticated. And hey, even if it was, perhaps the one who outplayed the guy got a winning position, DIDN"T screw it up, but because he was down like 4 to 6 sec, he got out premoved just in time. It's very plausible. In this time control even that tiny difference means everything. Maybe it was a very winning piece up position that, if the guy didn't resign, could take dozens of moves to actually checkmate with.
Indeed when I play bullet chess it's fricken wood pushing for both of us! I don't want it to be, but it's often what I have to resort to, because I don't have special skills specifically for 1 min, I think because those special skills might contradict what you're supposed to do in a real chess game, which I don't like.
I wonder how well I have to play before it's chess. Maybe I've never actually played a game.
Cmon, you know what I'm talking about. It starts to not really be chess and more of a chess variant when you never come close to finding the truth to the position, make rediculous moves for sake of time and just hope a crude sac works (or much more often, wins anyway). And how in the world do you come up with a plan? So much crude play, little precision, little originality, since what are you gonna do, find a positonal novelty? The strategies have to become super simplified as well as the tactics, either that or a guessing game. Again this is my opinion, I'd like to know other's take on my points, and why it's still chess. But so far people have just said I was wrong (probably mad as they like bullet, never said it wasn't good for fun though, at least for some people!) but not why which is all I care about. Yeah I'm bashing 1 min a little, but I think I'm making valid points, it's all my experience. Again, I suck at 1 min, if someone knows how to incorporate knowledge into super quick moves in any efficient way that's great and I'd like to know how in the world you do it.
- 1minute chess IS chess. You never hear a good 1minute player complain that, only those who can't figure out how to play it well
Well obviously the good 1 min player wouldn't want to convince themselves something they're good at doesn't even count as chess. I think they just prefer the short term tactical tricks (and the patterns to them probably come like lightning) and don't mind crudely pushing pawns for an attack, but it seems shallow to me. In 1 min of course it would crush me, but in standard? Not necessarily. I prefer to use all elements of the game like positional play and want to actually calculate out combinations before recklessly playing them. It just seems like a fuller game, with more methods to win.
Elubas, what is your goal here? Ranting about bullet chess? Proving that it is not chess - maybe it isn't indeed. So what, people play it for fun! There is nothing better than to take a break from work and play some 1 0 games. By the way, this server is very slow, bullet games are much much faster :)
Of course, it is not fair to suggest that pre-moves are cheating since they are available to both sides and both sides are (or should be) aware that they can be used. But that something is not cheating doesn't make it chess. Pre-moves cannot be used in OTB and they really do stretch the definition of chess. Also, there must be a point where the time is just too short for us to reasonably call it chess, would a 5 seconds game still be chess ? But personally I would rather just not play 1 0 instead of arguing about it.
I love 1 0 bullet chess. It gives me an adrenalin rush.
Normally I will never accept to play a blitz or a long game if my opponent has a 1 0 rating well below his blitz/long rating. I know, it's not very nice of me, but I don't care. I prefer this to being upset after a game because I played with Rybka.
Elubas, due to lag, both sides could be premoving.
The worst lag on this site, and its worst feature, is caused by both players using premove. The clocks run backwards, and each second takes 5-10. A one-minute game can take five minutes to finish.
1/0 chess is just ridiculous unless you are drunk then it is great
@Sardine
If you know that your opp is pre-moving so eagerly, just wait for a good moment and take any piece from him which you like. If he used pre-move, he wouldn't be able to react, hence you can take a guarded piece, whatever. Using pre-moving suggests that you are absolutely sure what to do next. In a normal game, it is easy to use that against any opp if they are too bot-like so to say.
One minute chess isnt chess.
OK chess professor, if you say so it must be true.....
Not a professor but thank you for the condescending attitude. Just me but 1 minute chess is just a measure of who can make meaningless moves faster, and or using the same tactical idea over and over. Ive watched it on youtube and its people knocking pieces over, slamming down on the clock, and using both hands which is against the rules inb normal chess.
Elubas, two GMs playing 1 minute are seeing as much and having as many ideas as you and I would in a match at G/30. So, are the GMs playing chess, or are we not?
I'm going to say, that we're the ones not! It just takes really good bullet players to make it chess, otherwise it's not.