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Can we find a way to prevent obnoxious playing like this.. my opponent refused multiple draw offers. Also the game is incremented so this took forever (thankfully I can play more than one game at once or I would surely resign in frustration but made a point not to let the childish player win).

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totalnovice12 wrote:

Can we find a way to prevent obnoxious playing like this.. my opponent refused multiple draw offers. Also the game is incremented so this took forever (thankfully I can play more than one game at once or I would surely resign in frustration but made a point not to let the childish player win).

At what point did you start offering draws?  I am guessing at about move 47. He did have an extra pawn but you are right, with opposite colored bishops and all the pawns pretty much locked up and on the same side, it seems a pretty obvious draw.

Still, if you were in a tournament, you would have to play until you hit the 50 move rule, just like you did here or claim a threefold repetition draw. Otherwise, no one can force your opponent to take a draw.



Stockfish says that threefold repetitions occured at moves 82 on both white and black's move and also on white's move on move 83. It also says that the 50 move rule could have been invoked starting on move 147. 

Other than that, you just have to sit there and smile graciously.

Avatar of totalnovice12

I think the first draw offer was move 37 or so, maybe one could play it better and win, but I offer as I in his position would probably not be able to win it. then the offer at move 70 seems more than reasonable lol, but oh well

Avatar of JamesColeman

It's poor chess ettiqutte to offer a draw on the defending side of even a completely drawn position so your offers on move 37 and 70 were inappropriate. I would also have played on forever in his position due to this.

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It's not obnoxious to not accept draw offers. No one is EVER obligated to accept a draw offer. A person has every right to play on if they want to until:

  1. You checkmate your opponent
  2. You force a draw by repetition or 50 move rule and CLAIM it

When there is a time control, the person has the option to win on time in spite of a drawn position, UNLESS there is insufficent material to force a win if there was time.

Avatar of craigh4242

Given the informality of on-line chess, I think a single draw offer in a completely drawn position is acceptable even if you are on the defending side.  After that, I generally just assume the other person knows where the draw button is and just keep playing.  Of course at my low level, a draw has to be blindingly obvious for me to be convinced of it.  It's really embarrassing for me to lose after offering a draw.  I don't know why an opponent would get upset about a single draw offer.  An offer after every move in an unequal game would get a bit annoying, but they can just be ignored.

Avatar of totalnovice12

well by the same standard it is proper chess etiquette to resign in a hopelessly lost position, and refusing to for the sole purpose of wasting someone's time would be seen as rude, so I don't understand how that same standard doesn't apply here.

Avatar of pete321
Technically drawn endings are just that - proper technique will force the draw. Time is part of the game so I'd your low ( and I've been there superior maybe winning position or a draw but low on time or lacking required technique to force the issue) the other player can play on. I also dislike players who play junk openings just to slow you up just moving pawns to make you eat time - just be patient suck it up and get better eventually you will send the junk players away with losses.
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WillResignForBeer wrote:

It's poor chess ettiqutte to offer a draw on the defending side of even a completely drawn position so your offers on move 37 and 70 were inappropriate. I would also have played on forever in his position due to this.

Uhhh BS.

That position is an obvious draw to any class D and over players. And being down a pawn in an opposite colored bishops endgame is hardly "the defending side." And really, you would do the same as white in his position? That's pathetic and childish.

Avatar of TheronG12

It's possible your opponent just didn't know how to accept a draw offer. If they move then it will show that they've rejected the draw offer.

@alex-rodriguez, Chess.com definitely shouldn't make the 50 move rule automatic, they should follow the rules of chess. After 50 moves, a draw may be claimed by either player but doesn't have to be. It's an automatic draw at 75 moves.

Avatar of Spiritbro77

Fischer once played 3 moves with only Kings on the board....

Avatar of KingMeTaco666

What exactly is the 50 move rule?

Avatar of yngwie1

The fifty-move rule in chess states that a player can claim a draw if no capture has been made and no pawn has been moved in the last fifty moves (for this purpose a "move" consists of a player completing his turn followed by his opponent completing his turn). 

Additionaly, recently it has been added, that after 75 moves without capture or a pawn move, a ref should declare game drawn - in this case that would be chess.com engine.

Same with 3- and 5-fold repetitions. After 3-fold repetition you may claim a draw. After 5-fold repetition, ref should declare game drawn.

Avatar of totalnovice12

the thing is he/she went like 48 moves then induced a pawn capture to play out another 50 lol.. and it was a 10 sec increment so its not like winning on time is something plausible. I would like to believe TheronG12 is correct and they did not understand how to accept a draw offer (however it seems unlikely since it seems they understood the 50 move rule enough to intentionally elongate the game)

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