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Avatar of holzhaus

hello,
in this game (http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=227738640) the user lukkuk checked my king very often, but he was not able to make me checkmate. Anytime, his time expired. I thought i won the game (because the time of my opponent expired), but instead of that the game ended by DRAW!

 

Why this injustice?

Avatar of kco

is a draw because of you have....

Game drawn - "insufficient material" to checkmate.
Avatar of Sorbis

http://www.chess.com/learn-how-to-play-chess.html

Avatar of holzhaus

I have read the rules. I quote:

 

Draws

  1. The position reaches a stalemate where it is one player’s turn to move, but his king is NOT in check and yet he does not have another legal move
  2. The players may simply agree to a draw and stop playing
  3. There are not enough pieces on the board to force a checkmate (example: a king and a bishop vs. a king)
  4. A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row)
  5. Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece.

 

In this game, only number 5 can be possible.But it was the move 37 (after the queen captured my last pawn), NOT the move 50!!!!!

Avatar of bigdoug

Looks like your opponent ran out of time but you did not have enough material to checkmate, so it's a draw.  The rules above do not include all the speed chess rules.

Avatar of pfren

So, you can mate with a lone King? (#3)

Please educate me...

Avatar of bramador

Great article!

Avatar of raider53
pfren wrote:

So, you can mate with a lone King? (#3)

Please educate me...

No, you cannot mate with a lone King. You cannot checkmate with a King vs one minor piece (bishop or knight). You can mate with 2 bishops or a bishop AND knight vs a lone King. Any endgame book can show you how to do this; not easy, though.


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raider53 wrote:
pfren wrote:

So, you can mate with a lone King? (#3)

Please educate me...

No, you cannot mate with a lone King. You cannot checkmate with a King vs one minor piece (bishop or knight). You can mate with 2 bishops or a bishop AND knight vs a lone King. Any endgame book can show you how to do this; not easy, though.



Not pfren. (Not your friend.) That's Mr. IM pfren. Sir! Smile

Avatar of pfren

Titles do not mean much. There are untitled players who play extremely strong chess.

I do know how to mate (blindfolded) with Bishop and Knight, though... Embarassed

Avatar of bigdoug

Yeah pfren, get an endgame book and study up! Wink

Avatar of Dietmar

It boggles my mind how someone who's rating clearly indicates that he/she isn't a beginner pretends not to understand basic rules of chess. The only sensible explanation is trolling ..

Avatar of henryoliver

You only had your king left and expected a win? So you think you outplayed him?? Scum..

Avatar of bigdoug

It was quite a game.  Black needs some serious review on checkmating with K+Q vs. lone K when low on time.

Avatar of Here_Is_Plenty

I want rules added for Chuck Norris Kings.

Avatar of vanhafford

Why Draw?  A half a point is better than no point!  It's better to win a half a point than too win no point at all!  Since you get 1 point for a win.  1/2 point for a Draw, and 0 points for a loss!

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Guys, I don't quite understand. I checked the game and while holzhaus indeed had not enough material, lukkuk had a queen and a bishop when his time ran out. So shouldn't the 50 moves rule apply here because there were enough pieces on the board to force checkmate?

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IMDeviate wrote:

 unless this is some new variant of chess I'm not familiar with.


Don't be hasty on this:

http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=124&view=article

Pertinent are articles 1.3, 5.2b and 9.6

They clearly say that the game is drawn if neither player can force mate.

Avatar of omnipaul

There is another rule that is not being explicitly mentioned.  True, if neither player can create a mate, then the game is drawn regardless of the amount of time remaining.

However, if one side runs out of time, there is a different, but similar, draw condition where if the person who has time remaining can not create a mate, then the result is a draw.  This rule might not be found in the "draws" section, but rather in the "time" section.

6.9

 

Except where one of the Articles: 5.1.a, 5.1.b, 5.2.a, 5.2.b, 5.2.c applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.

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omnipaul wrote:

There is another rule that is not being mentioned.  True, if neither player can create a mate, then the game is drawn regardless of the amount of time remaining.

However, if one side runs out of time, there is a different, but similar, draw condition where if the person who has time remaining can not create a mate, then the result is a draw.  This rule might not be found in the "draws" section, but rather in the "time" section.

6.9

 

Except where one of the Articles: 5.1.a, 5.1.b, 5.2.a, 5.2.b, 5.2.c applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.


Thanks, that was enlightening! :)