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Illbtu


Your dreams are made of flips and flops

as rain is made of lots and lots of drops...

This... is... a shop where you buy yourself bishops

wb Mate in 14 bb
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Illbtu
Some of the bishops in the shop are sold as 1 can see yet nothing has changed as to the nature of the puzzle. Would you believe? meh
& still... Mate in 14
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VenemousViper

One bishop coming right up sir

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VenemousViper

Oops I put 31 extra bishops

Illbtu
4 Gallery's sake you are not forsaken my friend happy
I have given you a part in the show
bb Mate in 15 bn
The hateful 🫏's on h8 is the jack of no trades grin
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EndgameEnthusiast2357
Illbtu wrote:


Your dreams are made of flips and flops

as rain is made of lots and lots of drops...

This... is... a shop where you buy yourself bishops

 
Mate in 14 

Just went to analysis, most of those moves aren't forced, don't think this is a forced checkmate.

Illbtu
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:
Illbtu wrote:


Your dreams are made of flips and flops

as rain is made of lots and lots of drops...

This... is... a shop where you buy yourself bishops

 
Mate in 14 

Just went to analysis, most of those moves aren't forced, don't think this is a forced checkmate.

If so please enlighten us. I would love to see a refutation of the puzzle.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

I don't see how mate can be forced if the first couple moves are correct?

Even if ba4+, trying to get the king to an edge, the king and bishop end up in each other's way and catn do anything, the king could always just go the other way. No way to force the king to a6 or c8 for a mate with the king on c6 and bishop on b5 or b7 or d7 for example. A valid puzzle like this exists but it involves other pieces and more bishops.

Illbtu

My friend you are not taking into consideration the following line if king c6 on move 2:

This shows that the line with 2.Kc6 is inferior since the game is shortened by 3 moves. However this is not suitable for puzzle-form since there are dualities involved also. however the main puzzle is dual-free. 
 
Regardless, thank you for taking your time to analyze this puzzle. Don't be a stranger. 
Much obliged! happy 
Illbtu
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

I don't see how mate can be forced if the first couple moves are correct?

Even if ba4+, trying to get the king to an edge, the king and bishop end up in each other's way and catn do anything, the king could always just go the other way. No way to force the king to a6 or c8 for a mate with the king on c6 and bishop on b5 or b7 or d7 for example.

A valid puzzle like this exists but it involves other pieces and more bishops.

The second puzzle (24 black bishops) that you have analyzed are with the "least amount" of bishops to make the cut for the idea behind these to prevail: A dual-free puzzle in 14 moves. 

If you take one more bishop off it is obviously giving black a chance to get a draw, since this puzzle's main motif is "SPACE" or the lack of it. If black manages to get bishops of the way of the black king it will secure some luft for the king. Luft is actually a German loanword that means "air" it means the black bishops swarming around the black king have a suffocating effect on the black king.

I believe firmly that those are valid puzzles. There is however no doubt that black is getting mated, since the engines are also finding the mate in 14.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Oh OK I guess it's possible. Analysis said 0.00 though. A mate in 14 should be within the calculation horizon.

Illbtu
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Oh OK I guess it's possible. Analysis said 0.00 though. A mate in 14 should be within the calculation horizon.

What engine have you used for this? meh

If you switch to Stockfish 16 it will find it at the depth of 59.

Btw. Komodo finds it also very fast.

I am guessing that you have used Torch or other engines.

drdos7

How about a mate in 10,

White to move and mate in 10:

This one is tough for engines, but here's a hint...it's another Royal March theme.
Illbtu
drdos7 wrote:

How about a mate in 10,

White to move and mate in 10:

 
This one is tough for engines, but here's a hint...it's another Royal March theme.

Indeed it is hard for engines I believe you could remove some of the bishops and still it will be hard for these types of engines to solve. Great work! happy