Can white win?

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Can white win the game or can he only hope for a draw? White to move:

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Yep, mate in 12 for white.

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Good effort, JonnySleazy, but I need to reveal that the problem's solution is a forced mate. To that end, you'll need to choose a different first move.

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bah i can't solve it =( ive tried a lotta variations lol, ive seen LOADS of these knight puzzles on the internet, hard they are. their patterns keep repeating, but there are alot of them =P its all about square control =(

this is the best ive done so far... and its not even forced! lol

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you can see the knights in the starting position block the f2, f3, g2 and g3 squares, giving the sense that moving the king to block the g1 square is good, but Kf1 and you get e2+. that may be the correct way, manuevering the knights round to block the king even at g2 (the king moves to g2 the next move), but i dunno.

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Lord-Chaos wrote:

you can see the knights in the starting position block the f2, f3, g2 and g3 squares, giving the sense that moving the king to block the g1 square is good, but Kf1 and you get e2+. that may be the correct way, manuevering the knights round to block the king even at g2 (the king moves to g2 the next move), but i dunno.


 I will give you a hint: remember the "glorious knights" problem you posted in July? Well, this ends in pretty much the same way...Smile So you have the right idea about sacrificing one knight, but your first move must be different.

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You really like knights!Smile

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The position above calculates every last move black and white can make. In the first move white has 4 moves with his king to make. He can not move his knights obviously or the black king has more space to move around. The most logical move I concluded, would be Kf1 because this blocks the black king from the g1 square which is essential for promotion. After this, black only has two pawn moves. The logical one would be e2+. Now the white king will take. Black will want to take the g1 square. White will have to check black in order to stop black from promoting. Black will go to g2 in hopes of still promoting. From there on checkmate is inevitable.

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ChessFoLife wrote:

The position above calculates every last move black and white can make. In the first move white has 4 moves with his king to make. He can not move his knights obviously or the black king has more space to move around. The most logical move I concluded, would be Kf1 because this blocks the black king from the g1 square which is essential for promotion. After this, black only has two pawn moves. The logical one would be e2+. Now the white king will take. Black will want to take the g1 square. White will have to check black in order to stop black from promoting. Black will go to g2 in hopes of still promoting. From there on checkmate is inevitable.


 Sorry, ChessFoLife, but after 4.Ne1+ black simply moves back to g1, not to h2... You have the beginning right though.

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Nvm guess I'm wrong let me post another

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lol still can't get it.

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clues so far:
it ends with the king and pawn in the corner i think (i don't remember the "glorious knight" thing)
theres a knight sac

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Additional clue: From Lord-Chaos' position, 3.Ng5!

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grr i tried Ng5! =D

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whats the refutation to f3? its 100% drawn then i think, so Ng5 might not be the correct move? ok fine it IS, but i can't find a way out of f3 specifically.

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Choose a different 5th move and you're almost home.

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