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Cool video, i've been recently adopting the Leningrad variation for the Dutch. I used to only play the Stonewall.
Thanks for the video. I play the Dutch a lot and found this video very instructive.
great, i love this defense
23:40 couldn't black play Be7?
I actually never thought of hardly meaning "not at all," just "almost not at all" or "almost nothing."
But according to dictionary.com, that's the second definition. So I guess it can be used in a way that barely is not, but depending on what definition you're going be they can also mean the exact same thing.
"but I could also see how they would imply the other meaning of saying it is not at all sound."
Ok, fair enough.
Hardly and barely may be used interchangeably in some cases, but certainly not in all cases. There are times when hardly means "not at all", instead of "scantily" or "only just". Ex: "I am hardly a salesman" is another way of saying "I am not at all a salesman" contrasted with saying "I am barely a salesman" would imply that you are a salesman in some shape or form, even if just scantily somehow. The line is subtle, but it is there.
When somebody says something is hardly sound, I can see how they would use it synonomously with barely, but I could also see how they would imply the other meaning of saying it is not at all sound.
For the fun of semantics, I will chip in about the whole hardly-barely controversy. As a native English speaker, I view the two words as completely synonymous with each other and use them interchangeably. So I don't know where you picked up this "different meaning," mydixiewrecked.
I think the Dutch Defense is a strong opening.
Magnus Carlsen beat Wang Hue with the King's Gambit not too long ago. And he said it was a spontaneous decsision at the board. He didn't plan on employing it when preparing for the event.
Just something to think about.
haha oh yeaah, thanks, I forgot the knight was hanging!
I'm glad the video was well received, I hope you enjoy the others as much!
@keeganomahoney I think the knight on g4 can be taken in some lines so it is not so easy to play Bd3.
@WanderingWinder I play lots of lines in the Dutch, mainly to avoid being too easily prepared for. 7...Nc6 has been by far the move I have played most in that position but I chose a different line against Houska.
@Vladan88 The Dutch is sound but risky. The major reason 2600s choose other lines is that their primary ambition as Black is to draw and the Dutch isn't a solid choice (compared to a QGD or Slav) but it has a real purpose for attacking players wanting to win as Black.
So wasn't Bd3 instead of Qb6 winning?
Yes, not being a native english speaker would certainly affect your understanding of english euphemisms. Though in the example the dictionary used, it may be synonymous with barely, in the particular way that you used it, it does not mean barely. If I were to say something along the lines of, "I am hardly at fault", it is more similar to saying "I am most likely not at fault". I'm sorry there was a communication difficulty, you probably would not have had a response from me had I understood what you originally meant.
I am not native speaker of English; i am Russian. But according to dictionary.com
"I didn't say is was unsound. I just said it's barely sound"
What you actually said is that it's "hardly sound". 'Hardly' and 'Barely' are not the same word and don't imply the same meaning.
I'm interested to note that in IM Rendle's Round 10 game at the British Championships (currently ongoing), he's played the line with 7...c6:
I didn't say is was unsound. I just said it's barely sound (I am referring to Leningrad Dutch). Not many top players nowadays play Dutch - only 179 games! Compare that to 1..d5 with 5000k+ games. These numbers say something! Plus I don't think the weakening of black kingside is justified in Leningrad.
With respect to Dutch Stonewall, I really hate having a hole on e5.
You right about that on levels up to fide master, openings may not matter that much. I reached 1900 USCF rating with having basic opening knowledge and playing just on positional principles. But now I am working on my repertoire, because every now and then I get into horrible position due to lack of opening knowledge.
Everything can be played even 1.h4, and some masters play this and other offbeat lines. It doesn't make the opening good because they (or even some GM or IM) play it. By looking at statistics, we can see what openings are considered more sound/better than others.
I you don't want to deal with countless nasty anti-dutch lines, KID is your choice. Anti-KID lines are not that bad.
Check out this video also:
"Everything can be played on up to GM level if you know the opening well"
This is just absolutely untrue. GMs and IMs ignore more openings than just about any other class of player because they know that their opponents can trample them if they get a poor position, even if they know the opening well. The King's Gambit is played at the master level by some who are experts in it, but it does, at the very best for black, give both sides chances with accurate play. You will almost never see GMs play openings that aren't very solid in serious, long matches.
59.2% win rate for white at the 2600+ level does not make the opening unplayable. If GMs thought that the opening was unsound, then very few would play it. Since it still remains quite popular, those who have far better chess analysis skills than you or I certainly feel that it is sound enough to play seriously. And at my level or your level, those statistics are not even applicable.
The chances are resonable. But there are a lot of nasty anti-dutch systems such as 2.Bg5 and 2.Nc3 which really turn the game into a different non-Dutch like territory. There is no such problem with KID.
Everything can be played on up to GM level if you know the opening well, some masters play King's Gambit.
My claim is based on the statistics from games since 1990 played by 2600+ GM's
times played white's score
1..Nf6 9472 54.9%
1..d5 5145 55.3%
1..e6 363 55.8%
1..d6 270 55.9%
1..f5 179 59.2%
white's scores +5% against the Dutch
by IM Thomas Rendle
International Master Thomas Rendle, otherwise known as the "Pterodactyl of Opening Theory", brings us yet another video series on the subject! On the docket this time is a weapon of great popularity at every level of chess: The Leningrad Dutch! Thomas reviews one of his own victories today, focusing on the main line variations occurring after black's 7...Nc6 (vs 7...c6). Black's goal of achieving pawns on e5 and f5 is highlighted, along with Rendle's obsession with the f2-square. Enjoy!
Players: Thorarinsson, Pall
vs. Rendle, Thomas
Dutch Defense: Fianchetto, Leningrad, Basman System (A81)
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IM Thomas Rendle
Thomas learned chess at the age of 5 and was immediately hooked. In 1999 he won the United Kingdom Schools Chess Challenge ahead of 35,000 other competitors and remins the youngest ever winner of the event. Thomas became an International Master in 2006 and got a GM norm at the 2007 Gibtelecom Masters where he finished 5th (along with Michael Adams and Ivan Sokolov). Thomas is now a regular chess coach with England at the World and European Youth Championships.
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