David Rudel's Zuke 'Em and the Zukertort-Phoenix Attack

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Quoting games were significantly higher rated players won doesn't prove any opening advantage. The fact that Yusupov plays it quite a bit, at least against e6 lines, shows it is a reasonable opening. Black can avoid d4xc5 with early b6, if bothered by it. 

This shows technique of finding games to support own point of view. In game showed were Yusupov won, he was on the way to being rated third highest player in world. In game I showed more of a trainer playing a slightly higher rated player.

In position were 10...c5xd4 played think it is better if white had played a3, instead of f4. Not sure if you are bothered by dispruting nb4 though. Eingorn thinks 12...Ne4 instead of Rc8 is very nice for black. In general don't think black has much to fear in this setup. Has played classical moves and peices are on active locations.

Is Rubinstein system playing d4xc5 when applicable or something else?, am not very sure myself.

pfren

Nimzoindian players will not care about any of these examples, since they will not play an early ...d5.

Marcus-101

Yusupov must have got his theory mixed up Tongue Out.. I think 9. f4 is quite weird, in most games white tries to complete his development before starting a kingside attack. 9. Bb2 is far less commital, followed by a3.

Also with the Rubinstein Attack (I think, I might not be correct) that white does not immediately play Ne5-f4-Rf3 etc, instead playing in the centre or on the queenside but with a Zukertort-type structure

Marcus-101

Here is a game of Rubinstein himself playing his system



Misunderestimated1

We're not even sure if the David Rudel listed on the USCF rating chart is the same David Rudel who is writing these books.  I think it's a ghost writer myself.

Misunderestimated1

Rudel is fine and he knows what he's doing.

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kindaspongey

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627053117/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen130.pdf

pfren
jengaias έγραψε:
You and StupidGM must make a club.Both ignorants and both to the road for the world championship.

 

 One person with a dupe account does not count as two, actually.

 

EvergreenStallion
GMHall wrote:

Rudel is fine and he knows what he's doing.

Yep. He really does know what he is doing, I don't know if the ignorant stupid people here have even read the book back-to-back. All I know is they know that their understanding in chess is like kindergarten. They don't know anything about chess if they don't know anything about the phoenix. Such a shame to see such uneducated people.

pfren
EvergreenStallion έγραψε:
GMHall wrote:

Rudel is fine and he knows what he's doing.

Yep. He really does know what he is doing, I don't know if the ignorant stupid people here have even read the book back-to-back. All I know is they know that their understanding in chess is like kindergarten. They don't know anything about chess if they don't know anything about the phoenix. Such a shame to see such uneducated people.

Yep, this. A player like Rudel, who has a provisional USCF rating of 1300, and has not played a single official game for the last twenty years, and (of course) no international rating at all, surely knows his stuff.

You either are Rudel in person, or you're smoking something evil. Regards.

Yigor
pfren wrote:

The good thing about Rudel's books is that he has done a lot of careful work in them.

The bad thing is that the guy does not know chess.

 

LMAO grin.png

Yigor

Just a remark about the terminology. 5. b3 is called Colle System: Rubinstein Variation here. In addition, 8...Bxc5 is Colle System: Rubinstein Variation: Bogoljubov Defense.  Why is it renamed in Phoenix Zuke 'Em stuff ?!? evil.pngblitz.pnggrin.png

pfren
Yigor έγραψε:

Just a remark about the terminology. 5. b3 is called Colle System: Rubinstein Variation here. In addition, 8...Bxc5 is Colle System: Rubinstein Variation: Bogoljubov Defense.  Why is it renamed in Phoenix Zuke 'Em stuff ?!? 

He advocates 9.b4 instead of the original 9.e4 stuff.

Actually, nothing inventive: He just took regular semi-slav lines, and applied them to white, reversed colors with an extra tempo. This is OK- mutual chances, but that is that.

Yigor
pfren wrote:
Yigor έγραψε:

Just a remark about the terminology. 5. b3 is called Colle System: Rubinstein Variation here. In addition, 8...Bxc5 is Colle System: Rubinstein Variation: Bogoljubov Defense.  Why is it renamed in Phoenix Zuke 'Em stuff ?!? 

He advocates 9.b4 instead of the original 9.e4 stuff.

Actually, nothing inventive: He just took regular semi-slav lines, and applied them to white, reversed colors with an extra tempo. This is OK- mutual chances, but that is that.

 

All right, thanks. happy.png Actually, there are tons of optimal lines never played in master games. It's easy to see with any good chess engine. So with a sufficient desire and computer help, someone can write 1001 chess books containing only novelties. grin.png

Lee-44
pfren wrote:

He advocates 9.b4 instead of the original 9.e4 stuff.

Actually, nothing inventive: He just took regular semi-slav lines, and applied them to white, reversed colors with an extra tempo. This is OK- mutual chances, but that is that.

There are two different versions of the Phoenix Attack. One for the Colle-Zukertort (b3) and one for the Colle-Koltanowski (c3). In former white plays 9.a3, while in the latter white plays 9.b4.

 

Zukertort-Phoenix:  1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.b3 Nc6  6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.a3

 

Koltanowski-Phoenix 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Nc6 6.Nbd2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.b4 

 

Incidentally IM Cyrus Lakdawala has adopted the Koltanowski-Phoenix and published it in several of his books. But it wouldn't be the first time that a so-called 'amateur opening' has been picked up by a titled player without proper acknowledgement of the source.

 

GM Boris Avrukh covers the Koltanowski-Phoenix from blacks side in his "Beating 1.d4 Sidelines", but unfortunately the Grandmaster overlooks whites strongest line of play. 

 

 

 

 

EvergreenStallion
Yigor wrote:

Just a remark about the terminology. 5. b3 is called Colle System: Rubinstein Variation here. In addition, 8...Bxc5 is Colle System: Rubinstein Variation: Bogoljubov Defense.  Why is it renamed in Phoenix Zuke 'Em stuff ?!? 

LMAO I thought 5.b3 is the Colle-Zukertort lol. Where are your references?

EvergreenStallion

ah googled it rubinstein = colle-zukertort teewoi.. anyways 8...Bxc5 is somewhat forced how come it has a name? lol

EvergreenStallion
Lee-44 wrote:
pfren wrote:

He advocates 9.b4 instead of the original 9.e4 stuff.

Actually, nothing inventive: He just took regular semi-slav lines, and applied them to white, reversed colors with an extra tempo. This is OK- mutual chances, but that is that.

There are two different versions of the Phoenix Attack. One for the Colle-Zukertort (b3) and one for the Colle-Koltanowski (c3). In former white plays 9.a3, while in the latter white plays 9.b4.

 

Zukertort-Phoenix:  1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.b3 Nc6  6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.a3

 

Koltanowski-Phoenix 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 5.c3 Nc6 6.Nbd2 Bd6 7.0-0 0-0 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.b4 

 

Incidentally IM Cyrus Lakdawala has adopted the Koltanowski-Phoenix and published it in several of his books. But it wouldn't be the first time that a so-called 'amateur opening' has been picked up by a titled player without proper acknowledgement of the source.

 

GM Boris Avrukh covers the Koltanowski-Phoenix from blacks side in his "Beating 1.d4 Sidelines", but unfortunately the Grandmaster overlooks whites strongest line of play. 

 

 

 

 can u give me some books of lakdawala where he advocates the phoenix