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I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?

chyss

KIA.

kleelof
RatingCounts wrote:

I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?

No doubt any other opening move will lead to a similar conclusion.

Spectator94

The French and Pirc are only avoidable by playing another opening move.
As for the Sicilian Dragon there are a ton of anti-sicilian systems to choose from before reaching the 5th move. 

RatingCounts

KIA ? any books on it ?

RatingCounts
RatingCounts wrote:

I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?

Let me rephrase- how do I counter them ?

Diakonia
RatingCounts wrote:

I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?

Play something else beside e4, or put the time and effort into learning how to play against those openings.  Learn the pawn structure behind them.

Galbotorixx
RatingCounts wrote:

I have played e4 all my life. But now, I have been facing troubles against the sicilian dragon, the french and the pirc. Any suggestions on how to avoid them ?

The sicilian can be stopped with the opening of D4 I think you would do well with the london system its an excelent opening for developing your peices and good kings safty. 

Fish_Ninja

If you are playing 1.e4 you have no creativity or imagination; stop reading books.  1. g4 will solve all your troubles, nobody knows it and it works like gangbusters; all tactics all the time.

Diakonia
Fish_Ninja wrote:

If you are playing 1.e4 you have no creativity or imagination; stop reading books.  1. g4 will solve all your troubles, nobody knows it and it works like gangbusters; all tactics all the time.

Ignore the pawn, develop normally., and black is fine.

ThrillerFan

The KIA is not the answer with 1 exception.

The KIA is only good when Black has played both ...e6 AND ...c5.

The lines after 1.e4 c5 2.d3 d6 and the Bishop coming out are not any good for White.

The lines after 1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.Ngf3 Bc5 are also annoying.  4.g3 is a slight improvement, but still not good for White.

After 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6, only now should 3.d3 be considered an option (along with 3.d4 of course!).

 

Simple solutions to your issues:

1) Sicilian - Play 2.Nf3 and now:

  • 2...e6 3.d3 - King's Indian Attack
  • 2...Nc6 3.d4! - Yes, you still need to study Taimanov, Accelerated Dragon (play the Maroczy Bind - very similar to what you get in the 5.f3 lines below), Kalashnikov, and the Sveshnikov, but that's a lot less than having to know ALL open Sicilians
  • 2...d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3! - There's a whole book out on this now.

2) French - Simple solution - Advance Variation!  It's minisculy below 3.Nc3 in terms of strength, and it's a LOT easier for White to play than 3.Nc3.  The book by Sam Collins or the two books by Sveshnikov are all great, and contain the new ideas that came about in 2006.  I blow people away with that line.

 

3) Pirc - Austrian Attack.  Study up on the 5...O-O lines, maybe play 6.Be3 and castle queenside.  Against 5...c5, don't give Black what he wants.  Give him a symmetrical pawn structure.  6.dxc5! Qa5 7.Qd4! dxc5 (Other moves are worse) 8.Qc4 with a small but lasting and nagging advantage for White!  See the chapter on the Pirc (and Modern) in "Beating Unusual Chess Defenses: 1.e4".

chyss
RatingCounts wrote:

KIA ? any books on it ?

  • Emms is an exellent author.
  • ISBN: 1857443942
pfren

The 3.Bb5(+) anti-Sicilians are fine, and there is no need memorizing a ton of variations.

On 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 the little move 3.g3!? (played by Carlsen in a critical WC game against Anand) is really interesting.

X_PLAYER_J_X

I enjoy playing the Kings Indian Attack against lines in which its hard for black to trade off your light square bishop. Usually lines which have black playing the move e6.

Sicilian Defense:

  • Against 2...Nc6

Macrozy Bind 3.d4 cxd4   4.Nxd4  g6  5.c4!

or

Rossolimo Attack 3.Bb5

  • Against 2...e6

Kings Indian Attack 3.d3

or

Kings Indian Attack 3.g3

  • Against 2...d6

Open Sicilian 3.d4


Sicilian Dragon

  • Against 5...g6

YugoSlav Attack 6.Be3


Sicilian Scheveningen

  • Against 5...e6

Fianchetto Variation 6.g3

or

Keres Attack 6.g4


Sicilian Classical

  • Against 5...Nc6

Sozin Variation 6.Bc4

or

Richer - Rauzer 6.Bg5


Sicilian Najdorf

  • Against 5...a6

Fischer-Sozin Attack 6.Bc4

or

Zagreb Fianchetteo Variation 6.g3


French Defense:

Kings Indian Attack 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2

or

Kings Indian Attack 2.d3 d5 3.Qe2

or

Tarrasch Variation 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2


Pirc Defense:

150 Attack 4.Be3

X_PLAYER_J_X

I also sometimes play other moves other than 2.Nf3 against the Sicilian. Depends on how I am feeling that day.

I do sometimes play 2.Nc3 going for

Closed Sicilian

or

Grand Prix Attack

pfren

I have played the KIA myself against the 2...e6 Sicilians (starting with 3.d3) but I think Black is fine with the rather unusual 3...b6!? followed by rapid development and holding the d-pawn back to d6.

chyss

Extract from pages 7 and 8 of Emms' book on the KIA:

"The more modern way of using the KIA is to integrate it as part of a complete repertoire with 1. e4, as recommended by the renowned chess trainer Mark Dvoretsky, and taken up by the likes of Morozevich, Bologan and Glek. ... By using the KIA against other black defences to 1 e4, the White player can still get plaesure from playing Open Games without having to learn all the theory of the main lines of the French and Sicilian Defences."

X_PLAYER_J_X
pfren wrote:

I have played the KIA myself against the 2...e6 Sicilians (starting with 3.d3) but I think Black is fine with the rather unusual 3...b6!? followed by rapid development and holding the d-pawn back to d6.

Actually I have never seen 3...b6!?  very curious move

However,  I do not think I would be in a rush to play g3 or move my light square bishop for that matter.

Obviously blacks intention would be to move there bishop to b7 or a6. Which does nothing for there king side development. In such a situation, I believe I would consider playing 4.Bf4.

Consider the fact black is developing there queen side with out castling right away. It does seem some what logical that white can develop there queen side as well with out alot of worry.

The move 3...b6 is a very commital move which stops any Qb6's hitting the b2 pawn.

Lastly by playing 4.Bf4 you can eye the d6 square and e5 square.

Than to top it off you can always consider moving your queen knight to d2 with out obstructing the view of the dark bishop since it has already moved.

I am liking 4.Bf4 in this position.

What did you play against 3...b6?

Did you give 4.Bf4 any consideration?

pfren
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

Obviously blacks intention would be to move there bishop to b7 or a6. Which does nothing for there king side development. In such a situation, I believe I would consider playing 4.Bf4.

Did you give 4.Bf4 any consideration?

Sure. It's a nice nothing- the bishop performs no useful function there.

Actually 3...b6 is suggested by IM Hannes Langrock in his recent French repertoire book (of course via the 1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.Nf3 b6 move order).

X_PLAYER_J_X
pfren wrote:
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

Obviously blacks intention would be to move there bishop to b7 or a6. Which does nothing for there king side development. In such a situation, I believe I would consider playing 4.Bf4.

Did you give 4.Bf4 any consideration?

Sure. It's a nice nothing- the bishop performs no useful function there.

Actually 3...b6 is suggested by IM Hannes Langrock in his recent French repertoire book (of course via the 1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.Nf3 b6 move order).

Well What I ment was the bishop move on the queen side by black doesn't do anything for there king side castling so to speak.

Obviously, By playing Bb7 black would have a diagonal in the center. Which can be useful for some center control indirectly.

The point I was trying to make was. It seems as if white can get away with moving there dark bishop to f4. To try and gain some dark square control.

However, After hearing the move order which you mentioned suggested by IM Hannes Langrock. I don't know if I will ever reach that position.

 

1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.Nf3 b6

I do not think I would play 3.Nf3 in that move order.

I do not think I would want to commit my knight to f3 so fast. Maybe I might want to play f4 first than Nf3. Hmmmm

 

The only way I might go into that situation would be if

1.e4 c5  2.Nf3 e6 3.d3 b6

Well now I am reconsidering 3.d3 here.