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crok

hello every1; firstly i have look and and cannot find a good answer to this ? I play the caro-kann /scandinavian i am after a second black opening that compliments this single black opening. i play the same opening against anything white plays, i am after another opening with a little more bite to it to compliment the C-K scandinavian hybrid. Any suggestions please? hope your A game is going from strength to STRENGTH...

ThrillerFan

Two things:

1st - You can't play the same thing against all White openings.  1.e4 e5 is great.  1.d4 e5 is not!  1.d4 f5 is fine.  1.e4 f5 is not.

2nd - Explain this line you are talking.  Do you play the Caro-Kann (1.e4 c6) or Scandinavian (1.e4 d5)?  There is no real "hybrid" between the two.  The two feature a similar pawn structure (well, the 3.Nc3 Caro-Kann and the Scandinavian do, that is), and the Scandinavian Gambit can transpose to the Panov-Botvinnik Attack, but Transpositions and Hybrids are not the same thing.

crok

i play 1...d5 to any first move. so it is the slave against 1. d4, or Scandinavian if 1. e4,e5. 2. exd5 Qxd5 or the caro kann if White ignores the 2. exd5 and instead plays 2. e4>e5 advance than its like the C-K...

ThrillerFan

Well, a number of things can be said about this:

1) Any White player that plays 2.e5 clearly has no clue what they are doing.  This move is just bad.

2) You ask for another line to play against "everything".  Problem is, that's completely the wrong approach.  I can recommend 1...e5 highly against 1.e4, but against 1.d4, you need to play something else, NOT 1...e5.

There are, in essence, 4 different groups of openings:

1) King Pawn Openings - You should have a defense to 1.e4.  Since you are looking for an alternative to the Scandinavian, I would recommend 1...e5

2) Queen Pawn Openings - You should have a defense to 1.d4.  Since you already have the Slav, I would suggest the Queen's Gambit Declined (1...d5 and 2...e6)

3) English/Reti/KIA - You should have a defense to 1.Nf3 or 1.c4.  If you play the King's Indian as Black against 1.d4, you could try a King's Indian Defense setup, but in some cases, this will directly transpose to the Symmetrical English.  If you play the QGD or Slav, you could play 1...e6 or 1...c6, but you also must be ready for a French/Caro-Kann (1.c4 e6 2.e4 or 1.c4 c6 2.e4), or a Reti (1.c4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.b3/3.g3).

4) Minor Lines - You should have some sort of line against the offbeat openings, like 1.g3, 1.b3, 1.b4, 1.Nc3, 1.f4

 

Trying to force a "catch-all" response is the wrong approach to take.  For example, if you try to do 1...c5 against everything, here's the problems you have:

1) The Sicilian and Old Benoni are NOTHING alike, and don't mesh well.  The Sicilian is an attacking defense.  The old Benoni usually leads to a blocked position with a lot of manouvering.

2) The Symmetrical English is very positional, unlike the Sicilian

3) 1.b4 c5 is just outright bad.

crok

i do not have a lot of time for study, i want something that is more "in your face White !" than the caro kann / scandinavian hybrid. something that gets people playing chess instead of learning moves. i would love to play the sicilian or ruy, but why; simply they are way to popular and well studied. i tried the dutch and simply hated it, i am looking for something to upset Whites plans no matter what they might be; somehting solid and reliable and well proven. but with more tactical open attacking chances.

Everyone knows there is no perfect opening in chess but i think the caro-kann / scandinavian is the closest mix to make a perfect single black opening from, now i am looking for a more solid agressive black response.

Thanks for oyur suggestions...

Fredrocke

I suggest the Sicilian against e4, since most white players hate playing against the Sicilian, but that requires lots of time to study the opening and see how you like to play with it

Fredrocke

I know just the opening as white

Fredrocke

If you're playing white, i suggest the awesome bird's opening

Fredrocke

Call me crazy, but it starts out with f4

Fredrocke

If you type in birds opening, on youtube there is an eight minute video on it

MetalRatel

1.e4 e5 is about as "in your face" as it gets. It takes some study, but in my opinion the theory is more stable overall than the Sicilian. You learn solid and active classical chess from 1...e5 and this is generally a good way to improve your game. The Delayed Cozio is a good shortcut against the Ruy Lopez if you are learning the sidelines. A lot of people have trouble against 1...e5, especially at the lower levels. There are a lot of gambits that are popular with club players, but most of them are unsound, so you get many opportunities to play for an advantage as Black. I liked a number of recommendations by Adrian Mikhalchisin in his Chessbase DVD on 1.e4 e5 for Black.

There is a series on YouTube about the Colorado Gambit starting with 1...Nc6. This might be a good quick fix, but this is not an entirely sound choice. If there is any doubt about an opening choice, I recommend going classical. It may be more work initially, but in the long run it can save a lot of time and frustration.

Fredrocke

I'm simply saying if he ever needs one for white, and i don't know where you got that, but the dutch and the bird are two completely different openings, dutch is aggressive, mean while the bird has a solid defense and good pawn structure.Fireflashlight, I don't know why you want to find the cons in everything, there is good in all openings, even the simple, and not the best, h6 move as your first move.

Fredrocke

if youir opponent plays d4, you respond d5, c4, then e5. this is known as the albin, catches queen's gambit players off guard

Fredrocke

have you tried the petrov?

Fredrocke

don't complain fireflashghost, im just trying to think of any chess opening i know

Fredrocke

against kings gambit, i play the blackmar-diemer gambit, i simply play different then him, I'm more aggressive

crok

thank you for the helpful replies, since i use a hybrid C-K / Scandinavian already i want something with a lot more bite to it. Basically i harass white with my black queen or sit behind my unbreakable wall. As White i try to play the 1. e4 Scotch game. I am after something that does not involve a lot of study and can bite back when i play black. 

Since most of the caro kann play is queenside i think i will try something very different and will get white "out-of-book" real fast. If white wants to play chess then i want them to think aobut their game and not be 'booked-up'.

I myself think the perfect compliment to a C-K / Scandinavian would be...

1...,g6. Thus regardless of what White plays, they can consider facing a caro-kann, Grunfeld, Kings Indian Defense or a Pirc; obviously a lot of theory but at least White will need to be a better player since i highly doubt they will be "booked-up" on theory.

I think this will make the White scum actually play chess, we will see how good they are at 'thinking on their feet'; personally this flank defense is in my humble opinion the "perfect-complimentary-opening" to the caro-kann / scandinavain. A lifetime of options and a 'universal-defense' to any White opening...

Any opinions on the quality of this choice please ???

Thank you for your useful comments.

MetalRatel

If you don't already have experience with the King's Indian and the Pirc, it's a huge learning curve. It's a risky choice and you will be playing against huge centers.

Often it's a bit of a bluff. A lot of 1.e4 players are not experienced with the King's Indian as White. If White is happy playing against the King's Indian, 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.c4 is a pleasant choice for him as the independent Modern lines do not require much additional preparation and are often advantageous to White.

Also the Austrian Attack lines are very dangerous and Black has to play very accurately to survive.

I once played 1.e4 g6 in a tournament game against a national master. This was partly a bluff, as I was not entirely happy with my opening preparation at the time. I was very fortunate he played 2.h4?! and I soon obtained an opening advantage which I converted to a win, but I would have been a bit concerned had he played an aggressive main line option.

If you like to gamble, it may work out. ;)

MetalRatel
Fredrocke wrote:

against kings gambit, i play the blackmar-diemer gambit, i simply play different then him, I'm more aggressive

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Gordon1962
ThrillerFan wrote:

Two things:

1st - You can't play the same thing against all White openings.  1.e4 e5 is great.  1.d4 e5 is not!  1.d4 f5 is fine.  1.e4 f5 is not.

2nd - Explain this line you are talking.  Do you play the Caro-Kann (1.e4 c6) or Scandinavian (1.e4 d5)?  There is no real "hybrid" between the two.  The two feature a similar pawn structure (well, the 3.Nc3 Caro-Kann and the Scandinavian do, that is), and the Scandinavian Gambit can transpose to the Panov-Botvinnik Attack, but Transpositions and Hybrids are not the same thing.

I think you can play 1...g6 pretty much every time.  However I make an exception with e4 and play e5,because I like playing 3...f5 whenever I can which is pretty often!