Very Helpful. Thanks for posting this.
LOLLI ATTACK!!!! (And lots of divergences)
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Interesting lines!
What kind of input do you want? It doesn't make any sense- 6.d4 ed4? 7.0-0 and Black is already lost.
Black has to play something else at his sixth move if he is willing to stay alive.
As for your last example, well, after 13.b5? Bxc4 14.dc4? (14.bc6 with equality is of course better) Na5 the doubled c-pawns aren't a liablility at all: one of them is lost by force... 
Sep 14, 2012
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FYI: There's a bunch of stuff on the Lolli Attack in this blog
http://blog.chess.com/NimzoRoy/fried-liver-attack
Thanks for this! Just started using it, and here's an example of the Lolli in action from a game I played today. Luckily my opponent didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
This is my first attempt at posting a game, so I'm praying it works.
@ Blackrabbito: Black has to be very cooperative to enter the Lolli under that move order.
Instead of 6...Nxd5? he has an excellent game after 6...Qe7+!
Haha! Thank you both. Good points, of course 
Sep 26, 2012
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pfren wrote:
As for your last example, well, after 13.b5? Bxc4 14.dc4? (14.bc6 with equality is of course better) Na5 the doubled c-pawns aren't a liablility at all: one of them is lost by force...
Haven't actually played chess in a very long time, but thanks =) I'm not sure I've ever looked at that line before XD
I think that particular move order is the Perreux Varriation. I don't like it, but: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/perreux/index.html
3 years ago, that was the first link in a google search of the "Lolli Attack"
From NimzoRoy's link to the blog post. I remember that line. I stopped playing chess before I really looked into it. And then I lost Dan Heisman's analysis when I wanted to look into it later.
Anyway, in that line, what happens after 8.cxd4? I've never known what's wrong with it.
bobmacambob wrote:
Anyway, in that line, what happens after 8.cxd4? I've never known what's wrong with it.
8.cd4 Bb4+! is fine for Black.
White has to pick between two lines:
- 8.Bd3 h6 9.Qh5 hg5! 10.Qxh8 e4! 11.cd4! ed3 12.0-0 is the crazy one. White is just minimally better.
- 8.Bxd5 Qxd5 9.f3! c5 10.0-0 is white's safest route to an advantage. White has a couple of pawns and a strong center for his piece, but still white should be better (although converting isn't easy).
The lolli attack is a good opening for beginners but is not so good at grandmaster level, it breaks a princaple and moves a peice twice. To see what i'm on about check out the fried liver attack video on chess.com
Cogwheel wrote:
Fischer used the Lolli constantly and so do many other GMs.
Fischer has played it (as white) just 3 or 4 times in simul games, and that's all.
Hi pfren, everyone
I'm just started studying the Giuoco Piano in more depth, and came across the Lolli.
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the line 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. d4 Nxd4 7. c3 b5 8. Bd3 h6 and 9.Nxf7 instead?
I think this is quite good for White, since at the cost of at most 1 pawn, White has forced the King to stay in the middle for most of the mid-game to follow. Not sure if you have any views or advice to share?
Thanks in advance.
newbie_learner wrote:
Hi pfren, everyone
I'm just started studying the Giuoco Piano in more depth, and came across the Lolli.
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the line 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. d4 Nxd4 7. c3 b5 8. Bd3 h6 and 9.Nxf7 instead?
I think this is quite good for White, since at the cost of at most 1 pawn, White has forced the King to stay in the middle for most of the mid-game to follow. Not sure if you have any views or advice to share?
Thanks in advance.
This is probably the safest route to a white advantage: He has invested a pawn, but Black has long-term problems with his king's security. White should be better, but it's still a game.
Of course this needs practical tests: OTB 9.Nxf7 has not been played yet, probably because few people are willing to enter the 5...Nxd5 risky lines at serious OTB competitions.
mmvmfm
Rather than in the Fried Liver, where white sacrifices a knight for 2 or 3 pawns, and an unclear position, the Lolli Attack chooses to play 6.d4 (instead of 6.Nxf7) as a pawn offering while defending the knight on g5 with the Bishop who's diagonal is now opened. It is a very interesting opening, and I want opinions OPINIONS on it. I've been playing this opening against the Two knights defence for YEARS now. I haven't a single game after the move of 6.d4
Also, some home analysis has given some interesting things:
5... Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Bd3!?
=O!!!
I know you're probably thinking "WTF?!?" but this has proven to me to be very effective because of some theory:
"If you're going to be attacked TRADE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!" Because if White can stave off Black's intiative, then the 2 isolanis on the a-file and the c-file will become liabilities... not to mention the pawn white is already holding.
8.Bd3 may block white's d-pawn, which in turn blocks white's other bishop, but it does a lot in return:
Another thing is the transposition into the 4 Knights Defence. This line contains quite a nice novelty if your oponent gets scared of the Crazy Ng5 move and goes 3...Bg5
Here are some interesting lines. Enjoy! =D