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Tempo wasting openings ?!


  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1

    chessmaster102

    Openings and variations of openings that lose or gain a tempo other than the obvious Scandinavian Defense?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #2

    LimpSpider

    Watch some of GM Seirawan's STLCC Lectures on youtube. He has several games lectures/opening lectures, where he shows a side being down several tempo and the game goes just fine.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #3

    richie_and_oprah

    initiative more critical than tempi

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #4

    chessmaster102

    I never implied that it was bad to waste tempo I just wanted to know of some openings where this happens

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #5

    Rubydave2

    The Scandinavian doesn't (out of the first 4 moves) lose tempo. After the black queen retreats both sides have one piece developed with white to move. However the black queen can potentially be kicked around if you're careless.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #6

    Pippychess

    well the center counter doesnt really waste tempo - it sacs it

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #7

    -BEES-

    Blackburne's Shilling Gambit leaps to mind.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #8

    chessmaster102

    Dory Defence (1.d4/Nf6 2.Nf3/Ne4) 

    Center Game (1.e4/e5 2.d4/exd4 3.Qxd4/Nc6)

    Blackburne's Shilling Gambit (1.e4/e5 2.Nf3/Nc6 3.Bc4/Nd4)

    Ruy Lopez Birds Defense (1.e4/e5 2.Nf3/Nc6 3.Bb5/Nd4)

    Scandinavian Defense (1.e4/d5 2.exd5/Qxd5 3.Nc3)

    Alkhine Defense Brooklyn Variation (1.e4/Nf6 2.e5/Ng8)

    Anything else ...

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #10

    clunney

    Scandinavian sacrifices tempo to knock the pawn on e4 out of the center... And it's pretty good. It's been played in a WC game. You don't see the Blackburne-Shilling Gambit tossed out by Anand.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #11

    QueenTakesKnightOOPS

    LimpSpider wrote:

    Watch some of GM Seirawan's STLCC Lectures on youtube. He has several games lectures/opening lectures, where he shows a side being down several tempo and the game goes just fine.

    Good point, Seirawan seems to have no fear of losing a tempo in the opening if he can gain an advantage later but he stresses in 1 of his lectures that you can only do it in a Closed game, if the center is open you can't get away with it.

    This is a great example, the French defence played with total disregard to developement & loss of Tempo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqHJ1Be3rwQ

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #12

    ghostofmaroczy

    Does the stutter step of the pawn in the Petroff count?

    1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Nxe5 d6 4 Nf3 Nxe4 5 d4 d5

    How about the bishop retreat in the Rossolimo?

    1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 e6 4 0-0 Nge7 5 Re1 a6 6 Bf1

    How about this Sveshnikov variation?

    1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 e5 6 Ndb5 d6 7 Nd5 Nxd5 8 exd5 Nb8

    And this Symmetrical English line?

    1 c4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Nc3 Nd4

    which can actually be met with 4 e3 or 4 Ng1

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #13

    Scottrf

    Rubydave2 wrote:

    The Scandinavian doesn't (out of the first 4 moves) lose tempo. After the black queen retreats both sides have one piece developed with white to move. However the black queen can potentially be kicked around if you're careless.

    Correct, and amazing how many people can't work this out. The queen moving twice is countered by the e pawn moving twice.

    It does however lose tempo further down the main line.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #14

    Mainline_Novelty

    Breyer Ruy Lopez?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #15

    Roeczak

    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 b5 6.Bf1- Ulvestad


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