That's interesting. Presumably 6...c5 is black's best move there ? Does 6...e5 work out better for white ?
Transposition from KID Sämisch to Maroczy Bind
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I think 6...c5 is just fashionable and 6...e5 is also fine.
Hi Sred--looks sound to me as well; the c-pawn gambit is thematic here and the only move that stands out as a possible "refutation" is 7. e5?!. Black can respond ...Nfd7 though, and after 8. dxc5 Nxc5 9. exd6 exd6 white hardly seems better. I say go for it.
Yes, 6...c5 is fine of course, but my question is about the transposition to the Maroczy Bind, which isn't mentioned in my sources and almost never played according to ChessBase.
Tranposing to the maroczy bind probably isn't best. Something like Nc6 first to provoke d5, or play c5xd4 in a more favorable form is more usual.
Pfren, that does it. You are joining one of my groups whether you like or not.
pfren wrote:
Black need not swap on d4 right away. 7...Nc6 and 7...Qa5 are fully playable and respectable.
But if I want to play against the Maroczy Bind, isn't it sensible to play 7...cxd4?
Especially the line from the game is not bad for black, I think.
pfren wrote:
Sred wrote:
But if I want to play against the Maroczy Bind, isn't it sensible to play 7...cxd4?
Yes- but in that case, I fail to understand your initial question.
The move order does not offer white any advantages. Rather the contrary- in some Maroczy variations where Black plants a bishop on e6, white certainly likes to play f2-f4 in one go, which cannot be done here.
Um, I'm playing Black.
*sigh*
Apparently my post wasn't quite clear. Let me rephrase:
I play the KID black with Black. White plays Sämisch. I play 6...c5. White doesn't accept the gambit. I think: "I hate the Sämisch, I like the Accelerated Dragon, so why not go for a Maroczy Bind?" and play 7...cxd4.
My question: is it sound or can White take some totally different path that doesn't lead to a Maroczy (main) line?
HectorPerez wrote:
*sigh*
What's your problem? I will try to help as long as it doesn't involve joining your group.
No, unless white has glued c-pawn to the board.
TwoMove wrote:
No, unless white has glued c-pawn to the board.
No, what?
Edit: I understand that I can force a Maroczy Bind.
I just wanted to know if White can take advantage when I do it.
You might check transpositions with the pirc. It looks like several pirc variations I've seen.
Really, is that question so stupid?
No your mission to get marcozy bind can't be prevented 
No it is a standard marcozy except white f-pawn moved slightly prematurely as Pfren already stated.
TwoMove wrote:
No it is a standard marcozy except white f-pawn moved slightly prematurely as Pfren already stated
Well yes, but since I did not get Pfren's mumbling about the white move order (after move six, we have a perfectly normal Sämisch here), I decided to ignore it.
Any idea why this is so rare in practice? Just because the typical KID player doers not like the Maroczy Bind with Black?
Hi,
In the game below I played the c5 gambit in the KID Sämisch, which White declined. I then preferred to transpose to one of the Maroczy Bind main lines. Is that a viable approach or can White somehow avoid the transposition and take advantage of the attempt?
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