The Troubled mind of Bobby Fischer

yea people believe mighty lot. but i think people are just jealous and just want to distract from their own mediocre life. but yeah everyone is entlitled to their opinion.I try to post less now.

sadly not, no i really like fischer that is all

Yeah, also others believed that Fishcer doesn't have mental ilness, thus trying to protect his reputation though he really acts like a mentally ill person. I don't see the difference though even if he is ill or not.

well if he became world champion his guidance cant have been that bad. what a better start could you have???  anyway i try to make that my last post, because obviously no1 shares my opinion and i can never convince anyone.

right becoming world champion is the mark of a mentally ill and a mediocre person talking a world champion bad is the sign of mentally healthy.

anyway this is my last post here, its fruitless haters will always hate.

And fruitless butthurt fans will always be butthurt.

Did you ever read "A beautiful Mind"? John Nash was nuttier than a fruit cake, but was a huge math genius. They say insanity is more common amoung geniuses than average people.

But wasnt John Nash Schizophrenic?Fishcer did not suffer from any kind of mental illness but extreme hatred for jews!

He most likely was mentally ill but, if you are a fan of his, that shouldn't take away from your enjoyment of what he did at the chessboard.

Lots of people have said or done a lot of bad things, but you don't have to like someone as a person to enjoy what they bring to their field.

Yeah,you are probably right,We shouldnt let the things he did outside of chess bother us and just focus on what he did for chess!

How is one classifed as "mentally ill"? By their actions? The guy who killed all those people in Norway last year...he was tested, and was not found to be "metally ill". By what they say? Just about everyone says some pretty "nutty" stuff...like Hitler, Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad (Iran's Prsident), Khomeini, Saddam Hussein etc...were they all mentally ill then?

Is it possible to diagnose someone with "mental illness" from afar?...without even meeting/testing them?

I guess we will never know about Fischer for sure...

Those comparisons don't make sense

Genghiskhant, I am not saying that Fischer is in line with these examples...what I am suggesting is that these examples would seem more in line with the  "mentally ill"...yet are they? Do we even consider them possibly mentally ill, or do we just classify them as Terrorists?

Concerning the case in Norway, I believe his defense was "mentally ill". Fischer's actions never came close to this. And if you are familiar with the speeches of these "terrorists"...I think there would be enough to argue "mental illness"...but no one discribes them as such...

My main arguement is that Fischer's "mental illness" is not based on any testing or professional evaluation, but mostly on what he has said. One might even have a strong arguement to suggest, that we want to believe Fischer to be "mentally ill" mainly because he is our hero, rather than any real evidence to claim such. Maybe he was...then again, maybe he was not...

Anders Breivik did not use mental illness as a defence. In fact, the exact opposite. He was quite clear on the fact that he was not mentally ill and did not want himself seen as such. He actively fought against that being used as a defence because it would have taken away from his own cause.

As for Fischer, the reason the comparison doesn't work is because people are claiming he was mentally ill because of his paranoid delusions and reclusive behaviour, not because he was an anti-semite.

Spouting hateful speeches doesn't mean you are mentally ill. There is a difference between 'Mad' and 'Bad'.

'You think Fischer's crazy, check out that Bin Laden guy' just doesn't work on any level.

hateful speeches and comments (whether by Fischer or anyone else including his loyal band of "opposition") are not sane.

Well, I was not certain if "mental illness" was actually part of his defence, but it certainly came up as a possible reason, hence the two court appointed  physchiatrists who evaluated him. Interesting enough, even though they both "tested" him, their conclusions differed. The first said he suffered from "paranoid schizophrenia"...and after the mass outcry from the public (maybe assuming that he would get away), a second report was published, concluding "he was not psychotic during the attacks nor at evaluation". So even when the so called professionals test...the results differ wrt classifying someone as "mentally ill".

Worrying over the state of Bobby Fishcers mental health would have been a bit more important if he were still alive.

I am not arguing wether or not he is mentally ill. I am not qualified to make the distinction. I am saying that it was in no way part of his defence. He ordered his legal team to argue that he was sane.

You said you believed his defence was mental illness. I was simply pointing out that it was the opposite.

As for his mental health coming into question, of course it did. That proves nothing one way or the other. Anyone who carries out the sort of act that he did would be subject to the same testing. If they took Bin Laden in alive, they would have tested his mental health. In fact, they do it with all murderers, mass or otherwise.

I agree with you Genghiskhant, in fact, that is exactly my point. The reason why they would test for "mental illness" is because the act seemed "abnormal". Fischer never came close to warranting any evaluation like that. In fact, can one say he was "delusional" only by observing from afar? My point is there is no hard evidence to suggest he was...only speculation. I believe that most of us chess/Fischer fans (myself included), want to believe in the reality that our chess hero was "mentally ill", and not just another a..hole.

touche!

hence it says something about those still here.