Don't bring the queen out early

Bring her out and beware of what may happen

I play this opening as part of my repertoire. The problem your opponent faced was not with his choice of opening, but rather his greed.

The Scandanavian is a decent opening, I don;t particularly like it, but it works. This was your opponents blunder, and not an opening mistake.

As others have said, your title is somewhat silly, as 2...Qxd5 is not a bad move.

Your opponent began to go astray with 6...Bg4, but where he really went wrong was the greedy 6...Qh5. You did a great job punishing him by trapping his queen.

Ordinarily I would heed such advice re Q's too early development.  In a recent Scotch game, however, as black I remembered that the line I was in called for the Q to come out on move 5!  Here's how it went: 1. e4, e5 2. Nf3, Nc6 3. d4,exd4 4. Nxd4, Bc5 5. Be3, Qf6!? 6. c3 Ng37 7. Bb5, a6 (departure from book) 8. Nxc6, Bxe3 9. Nxe7, Qxf2#.  A real laugher!

Was 5...Bg4 so bad?  I thought the first real mistake was 6...Qh5 completely missing the fact that it was hanging the Bishop because the Rook is poisoned.

Maybe I should change the title

TheGrobe> Was 5...Bg4 so bad?

It's the old mainline, so of course it's playable... but after 6.h3 Bh5 7.g4 Bg6 8.Ne5 I think most players would much prefer to play White. The advanced kingside pawns have tended to be more strength than weakness since White hasn't commited to castling kingside yet, and White can seize the bishop pair any time he chooses.

The real impetus for change is that Black discovered he has to play ...c6 soon anyway, to give the queen a retreat path and prevent d4-d5. So he might as well play it now when it acts as a high-class waiting move... he can then decide where to place his bishop based on what White does next, with better chances. Eg, 6.Bd3 is met by 6...Bg4! 7.h3 Bh5 8.g4 Bg6. Often the bishop goes to f5, but sometimes even to the surprising e6.

Funny thing is the material is all even. Black traded the queen's power for the rook's and bishop's combined power and one less pawn for white.

I just noticed that material is all equal dlordmagic..but i now have tempo and more of an initiative. Would you play on?

dlordmagic> Black traded the queen's power for the rook's and bishop's combined power and one less pawn for white.

omgCHECKMATE> I just noticed that material is all equal dlordmagic

Don't foget, he sac'd a bishop before trading his Q for R+B+P, so he's actually down a Queen for only a Rook and Pawn... quite losing.

yep forgot about me taking that bishop

To bring your queen out early and then sideline her is a big mistake.  Use her power.  I think he made a big mistake on move 3 by moving his queen to a5 instead of e5 checking the King ... then again I'm nowhere near his ranking so I could be wrong.  It just seems wrong to me to marginalize her power.

Also why the resignation?  The queen had a way out and would be safe at c4.  Or Nxf2 and exchange queens. 

Am I missing something?

Wesso> I think he made a big mistake on move 3 by moving his queen to a5 instead of e5 checking the King ...

a5 is one of the best squares for the queen. She plays a helpful supporting role pinning the knight, preventing Bg5, helping to prevent d4-d5, and ready to swing over to the kingside to support an attack. She can drop back to b6, c7, or d8 if things get too hot.

It's a bad idea to bring your queen out early if your opponent can gain time attacking her. On e5 the queen is much more vulnerable to attack, for example from the natural developing move Nf3. Furthermore, it's not a good idea to check your opponent for the sake of checking them--check them only if you gain something concrete by doing so. And in this case, you don't seem to be gaining anything.

Compare 3...Qe5+ 4.Be2 c6 5.Nf3 Qc7 6.d4 to 3...Qa5 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 6.Bc4. In the first line, White is further ahead in development because he was able to play Nf3 for free due to the queen's vulnerable position. In fact, at the master level this line is refuted due to White's quick and blistering attack. Even at the amateur level, her early retreat to c7 in Qe5+ lines allows White extra attacking options such as Bg5 or d4-d5.

(To make things murkier, in ...Qa5 lines White often eventually gains time with Bd2. But by then Black's had enough time to develop and organize his defenses.)

 and this is because the queen is only one of 32 pieces on the board, powerful as it may be. The queen...has 8 arms and can touch as many as 27 squares, but the other pieces have arms and touch squares too. The rook, and there are four of them can touch 14 squares each at most.

Thanks for your guys input is there anyway to change the title rofl. I think Greedy Queen would have been more appropriate?

Bringing the queen out was unfortunate for black but it's a good approach when you know how to use it. I think black was a little careless in this game but that wasn't a reason to withdraw because you can still win a game without your queen. I always end up winning without my queen!

c4 or Nxf2??? it's white's turn  now

omgCHECKMATE wrote:

 I think the queene is the most powerfulist piece on the board and if you know what your doing it can check mate with her coming out first. It at times get players put you in the frame of mind that one have to try and trap her but play me and i bet I can mate you.