blitz/bullet rating is the only thing that matters in internet chess

There are people that constantly create new accounts, run chess engine bots in a fully automated manner until they are busted, then repeat.

Some do it as a joke, others do it because they work for other chess sites.

@johnmusacha

I agree, I've even played against one who even admitted that he wanted to bring other people's ratings down anyway he can because he thought it was funny. He was rated under 1100 but played like he was over 2000. We played six games 10 minute games and I couldn't beat him once. He countered everything I did never making a mistake or a blunder...

correspondence chess can be used to research certain things about chess. there is an official world championship in correspondence chess.

internet blitz/bullet ratings. these can be difficult to assess. there are too many x-factors here. especially bullet or lightning ratings---I've seen a ukranian IM who has a 1500 1 0 rating on some server. just to give some perspective.

the all important first 20 games---all it takes is 3 or 4 of them to get messed up for it to become much more difficult (and take much longer) to get your rating to a certain level. how unlucky would it be to run into 2 or 3 computer cheaters within the first 20 games. or even 1. or have some other nonsense mess things up for you during these first 10-20 games.

I also think people would be amazed and humbled if they analyzed their blitz games with engines. it would provide much perspective and they'd probably learn a lot too.

for example  I've heard of people who "purposefully lose games to keep their ratings much lower than they would be just to crush [i.e. surprise unsuspecting] people for the lulz". idea being of course you see a 1400-1600 rating and don't think too much of the person only to be caught way off guard because the person's rating would be more like 2200 if they hadn't intentionally thrown games. running into such people all the time would make things much more difficult than they would be normally. 

but it's the internet so people are dishonest, in various ways, and do all sorts of weird things. and apparently this is just as true for internet chess as it is for other internet activities. you wouldn't have to really worry too much about this in regards to OTB chess because this kind of thing would never happen in that context. in that context you can pretty be much assured that your opponents rating is an accurate reflection of their skill level. on the internet? not so much. on the internet you could be playing a 2000 elo expert level player posing as an amateur with a 1500-1600 rating for the "lulz". 

Also to add more to the problem with taking bullet ratings as a measure of skill, people with good hardware/internet have a huge advantage that they do not realize. The IM you mentioned likely had a poor internet or a computer full of viruses.

My bullet rating was a full 200 points higher when I had a premium membership because the ads were not slowing down my computer. I have had games were if I do not premove then inputing the move will take 3+ seconds of my clock each move.

I can play at a much stonger level on my friends computer then my own leading me to realize that hardware plays a big role in bullet.

ITT: People are still using Windows 98 & Dialup, watching ga* p*rn that filled their pc with viruses, giving them an excuse why they fail at blitz

I talked to a friend who is ~2000 online chess and 1100 blitz (I won't leak his name obviously) and he admits to sometimes putting his positions in the stockfish engine. Its so easy to cheat. Not only that, but correspondence doesnt mean shit because some high rated players spend like 2 minutes a mve while others spend an hour.

correct, but I bet you would have more trouble with me at a 3 0 or 3 2 time control then you would first guess.

I joined chess.com at the daimond level to become a better player by watching the videos, using tactics trainer, chess mentor, and I even have a IM as a coach now. Who gives a rats fart about cc chess versus bullet chess versus blitz chess versus standard chess etc.  If you are improving your game, having fun and getting better, isn't that all that really counts?  If someone is using a chess engine against me, all that will do is make me play stronger even though I will lose. So what. I really believe that many people on this site base their self worth in life on their rating. For many people, ratings just feed their ego. When my rating goes up because I am reading books, practicing tactics and playing games, then it's nice to know I am improving.   Play whatever type of game you enjoy  and have fun instead of wasting time like I just did reading through this thread and adding a comment when I could have just spent 10 minutes using the tactics trainer to improve my game.

This bears rpeating:

Although internet chess ratings in anything don't really matter in the first place.

only low rated chess players say this

online chess blitz/bullet rating is very closely related to uscf/official rating

everyone knows they dont matter in the grand scheme of things. Its just a discussion.

I find it hard to disagree with the main point that people bragging about CC are stupid.

<<I'm rating 1850 uscf rating in chess, and my bullet/blitz rating accurately describes it. Correspondence chess is extremely unrealistically long, what tournament in the world will you have more than 2 weeks for a game? If your good at chess, the moves will come to you quick, you dont need 24 hours to analyze.>>

Nonsense, sometimes I use all three days.

I know people with a FIDE OTB rating of 2100 who make completely wrong positional assessments. Their blitz rating reflects their OTB rating but they don't give the correspondence game all they've got. Why? They keep losing. 

Also there's no way I'm ever going to get a blitz rating on here to match my OTB rating. Why?

Well, connection issues, mouse slips, playing when I'm too tired, people who disconnect when they see 1.d4 or when they get black (this is cheating), gamesmanship, people who simply try to win on time but who can't play chess, various other forms of cheating ... I admit it's a while since the site went down when I was winning but it used to happen a lot ... really the idea that blitz ratings reflect real ability is a joke. They reflect ability at online blitz games. 

Having said that, I do believe that the cc ratings here are inflated, probably by 10%, and the blitz ratings are deflated, probably by the same amount. So at 2000, the true difference is 20% or 400, which isn't a far cry from the 500 asserted by someone earlier.

Its an online chess rating, it means nothing.

Kasporov_Jr wrote:

Yaroslavl wrote:

mashanator wrote:

Agreed.

Although internet chess ratings in anything don't really matter in the first place.

This bears rpeating:

Although internet chess ratings in anything don't really matter in the first place.

only low rated chess players say this

online chess blitz/bullet rating is very closely related to uscf/official rating

So?

CC does too

If youre someone that is very good at it, like Nakamura, etc. then it is exciting to watch.  But for the average player...I agree with you.  Being down 9 pieces, and winning on time, and bragging you won?