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Mandy711

Ivanov is a genius. Either a genius chess player or a genius cheater.

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tigasbakal wrote:

if they cannot find any evidence of cheating then he must be one of the new good ones. we have to see him how he plays with 2700s or 2800s. 

How can be he one of the good ones if after Zadar he drew with 1600 and lost 2000s?

Ziggyblitz

Hard to believe they haven't busted him. They know he's cheating. Is the chess community so bereft of resources that they can't work out how he cheats ?

tuliptop

Here are the chess games from the tournament in Blagoevgrad with Borislav Ivanov's participation & unprecedented anti-cheating measures:

http://chess-db.com/public/livegames.jsp?event=Grand%20Open%20Blagoevgrad

LoveYouSoMuch

whenever i think of borislav ivanov i can't help but think of this song

ivanov dabes

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Wow and he's not even titled!  They should make him a GM right now he's clearly on par finishing ahead of many. 

LoveYouSoMuch

he's already a FM!

get hype for GM norms, GM title and, soon enough, contention for the world championship

repertoirecrisis

Kind of makes you want to see them let IM Weinstein out of the psych ward: http://standpointmag.co.uk/chess-december-11-the-killer-instinct-dominic-lawson-murderous-chess-players

WGF79

Lol this guy is generating lots of hate with that persistent blatant cheating. Some people devote their entire life to chess and this guy is destroying it. I'd not be surprised if he gets killed one day and I don't think many will be sad about that.

sisu

Let's make it happen!

PhoenixTTD

If this guy was playing poker they would have already taken care of him.

SmyslovFan
FirebrandX wrote:

By the way, take a look at the following game:

 

The thing to note is you can spot EXACTLY where Ivanov turned into Houdini 3, which was on move #14. From then on, EVERY move matched Houdini 3's top choice, including the fantastic 16...g5! A seemingly wacky move that the computer evals as best by far.



I hate to defend Ivanov, but 16...g5 was one of my first two candidate moves. The other was 16...g6. Black has a ready-made K-side attack, and he just needs to find a way to open up some lines. 

In this game, against a 20xx rated player, Ivanov's play was good, but unremarkable. The only reason this game deserves mention is Ivanov's past history. Ivanov made sensible moves that any +2000 player could have found.

If he plays Houdini's moves in quiet positions, or if he consistently plays Houdini's moves for several games, that would be compelling evidence. But this lone game was unremarkable except that Ivanov was playing at all.

x-5058622868

I think i'd have to agree with Smyslovfan on this.

The tactics for black after 16...g5 seems to be straight forward, and options are limited. I don't think i'd match it exactly, but i don't doubt a better player could.

chiaroscuro62

You know what the most remarkable move there is?  18.b4.  Fritz 11 doesn't even consider it and prunes the move.  But then when I enter the move into Fritz it comes around to thinking it is best.  I don't even really understand that move after playing out the game.  That is about as computer move as move gets, IMHO.

TheBigDecline
chiaroscuro62 wrote:

That is about as computer move as move gets, IMHO.

This, or Ivanov is the greatest Chess player ever. Better than Carlsen, Tal, Karpov combined. It's really funny that that would be the only valid explanation if he really wouldn't cheating. Does he ever wonder: "What is the reason for all this? Noone is believing me anyway?!"

SmyslovFan

Snideness aside, 33 moves in a row that match an engine perfectly in a position that isn't all about attacking the king is quite a bit different from the first game.

If you are correct that this is 100% match-up Firebrand, then it is compelling evidence that he continues to cheat. Even so, his opponent came close to saving the draw.

-waller-

Really decent game by Black in that last one, put up a great fight against Houdini to get to that endgame.

In all honesty, I've already seen proof enough that Ivanov cheats from all those other tournaments. Whether he continues to cheat or not is pretty irrelevant (well, it is blatantly obvious that he does) he will always be a cheat, and untrustworthy.

VLaurenT
TheBigDecline wrote:
chiaroscuro62 wrote:

That is about as computer move as move gets, IMHO.

This, or Ivanov is the greatest Chess player ever. Better than Carlsen, Tal, Karpov combined. It's really funny that that would be the only valid explanation if he really wouldn't cheating. Does he ever wonder: "What is the reason for all this? Noone is believing me anyway?!"

Would you like to buy the Eiffel Tower ?

I can have you a discount Smile

TheBigDecline
hicetnunc wrote:
TheBigDecline wrote:
chiaroscuro62 wrote:

That is about as computer move as move gets, IMHO.

This, or Ivanov is the greatest Chess player ever. Better than Carlsen, Tal, Karpov combined. It's really funny that that would be the only valid explanation if he really wouldn't cheating. Does he ever wonder: "What is the reason for all this? Noone is believing me anyway?!"

Would you like to buy the Eiffel Tower ?

I can have you a discount

Yeah, I guess the thought counts, right? Wink I know how that story goes, btw ...

But a random lunatic claiming to own the Eiffel tower, the Moon or whatever isn't exposed to so much hatred as a really audacious cheater like Ivanov, stealing tournament prizes from others and destroying the spirit of the game. There ... I just answered my own question: He must do it for the money!

VLaurenT

He must do it out of frustration, like all other cheaters...