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Chess rating system


  • 5 years ago · Quote · #241

    Zredfire

    Truman wrote:
    fischer wrote: AlecKeen wrote:Becca wrote:Rating has its place but its not the most important thing. Sometimes you can lose a game on time and it will seriously affect your rating this has nothing to do with how well you play.

    Oh yes it does! How well you play includes how well you manage your time. Time is as much part of Chess as it is in other games. In football you could score the greatest goal in history, but if the referee blows time before it goes in it doesn't count. Similarly in Chess if you don't get your moves in within the time, you lose, and correctly so.


     I could be wrong, but I assume she's talking about blitz games. There are lots of people who are great blitz players but terrible in long games, and vice versa.


    Some people continue to play others that have a much higher elo and lose more

    often giving them a lower elo.


     But then, presumably, they would continue to play those rated higher then them, but by the same margain, giving them back the higher rating that they lost.  Great article at the beginning...though very confusing. 

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #242

    Hugh_T_Patterson

    That is the entire point to ratings. To match up players with other individuals playing at the same level. Again, there are times when the rating system cannot cover all of the factors of human game play. If the novice player suddenly hits upon a combination of moves that changes the game in his or her favor, but it's a one time only situation (say, for example because the player just read some on this tactic and will soon forget it after the game), this will be reflected but may raise the player's rating prematurely. By this I mean that the player in question might play the next rated game poorly enough to loose more points that were gained in the previous game. I guess what I'm saying is that any rating system,  no matter how sophisticated, will have mathematical flaws in it because it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to completely account for human flaws and emotional playing within a finite equation. Now I really don't want to play rated games. I've given myself a headache with all this finite mathematical nonsense! Oh Yuk! Ignore all the typos, English was not my major (or even minor) in school.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #243

    Zredfire

    oceaneyes wrote:
    AlecKeen wrote: Becca wrote: Rating has its place but its not the most important thing. Sometimes you can lose a game on time and it will seriously affect your rating this has nothing to do with how well you play.

    Oh yes it does! How well you play includes how well you manage your time. Time is as much part of Chess as it is in other games. In football you could score the greatest goal in history, but if the referee blows time before it goes in it doesn't count. Similarly in Chess if you don't get your moves in within the time, you lose, and correctly so.


     So basically what you're saying is:

     

    Football is a game.  Football is timed.

    Chess is also a game.  Therefore, chess should also be timed. 

     

    You've got me convinced.


     Thqat makes no sense at all.  Just because one game is timed, every other game should be timed?  Nonsense!  To prove something, you have to know that it is true in ALL cases, not only one.  I started playing chess without a timer when I learned.  If you and your opponent agree that there is no time limit, then there is no time limit!  Of course, Chess.com does not allow that, but playing against people in real life and doing so with no time constraints doesn't wreck the game. 

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #244

    percheron

    It would be nice if they could let you set the time to forever... I usually lose on time because often I'm really busy with work. (well, maybe other things besides work, too...)

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #245

    roberto93

    But then people would just leave losing matches and you would never get the win recorded!

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #246

    percheron

    well, I meant for just regular old games, not matches. like sometimes my friends play me and it's just for fun, but while were busy with our more important games, we run out of time and never get to finish it.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #247

    luka5

    hello everybody,

    I'm new in chess.com. Isn't there a board where we can try some moves during the game without submitting them..... if i want to try 5 or 6 moves ahead what should i do?

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #248

    percheron

    I think you click on the "moves" tab and at the bottom you click on the analysis board.Smile and welcome to chess.com!

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #249

    ILLYRIA

    This question gets asked a lot on ratings topics, but I haven't seen it answered....if it's been asked and answered 14 times on earlier pages of this thread, sorry:

    when your ratings change, is it by the amount shown when you accepted the challenge? or are ratings fluctuations DURING the game taken into account too?

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #250

    ILLYRIA

    see? 

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #251

    Zredfire

    ILLYRA:

    There is a forum focused on the question.  I couldn't find it, but if someone else would kindly do so and post the link?

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #252

    percheron

    I don't understand your question.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #253

    Zredfire

    Mine? 

    There is a forum that answers Illyra's question and I couldn't find it, but I have read it.  I want someone else to find it for me so I don't have to search through 150 forums with the word "Rating" in them...

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #254

    rodney1

    Chess is like a war.plan the battle and if your aponent is formideble,starve him out ,the time should not matter to you...

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #255

    Zredfire

    But only if you can play faster then him.  If he plays faster, then he starves you out!

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #256

    artfizz

    Zredfire wrote:

    Mine? 

    There is a forum that answers Illyra's question and I couldn't find it, but I have read it.  I want someone else to find it for me so I don't have to search through 150 forums with the word "Rating" in them...


    baseballfan wrote:

    The best place to send him is probably the FAQ section on how ratings work, that can be found here: http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=21

    (in this topic http://www.chess.com/forum/view/help-support/ratings4)

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #257

    Hugh_T_Patterson

    If you really want an interesting article on the rating system read the article about Mark Glickman in the 2006 October Issue of Chess Life. It does an excellent job in explaining the system (Glicko and Glicko 2). It gives you the essential formula used for calculating ratings. The equation looks very simple. However, when you start to get into refinements, etc, you see how difficult creating a rating system really is. The article has some good information on the development, from a not to difficult mathematical standpoint.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #258

    gyrow32

    It's not how well you play the game, it's if you win or lose! Cool

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #259

    GodKnight

    someone can explain about blitz games? and long games?

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #260

    copernick123

    Yeap, it's the case for me. I'm good at short games, but I always lose in long games.


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