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Jimmykay
jaqueconmate wrote:

The concept of "intelligence" is rather broad, as it includes not only the critical thinking, forethought and memorization required by chess, but also certain concepts not utilized in the game, such as extrapolation from known variables into "educated guesses."  While you cannot necessarily say that all chess players are smarter than non-chess players, it is without a doubt certain that the average intelligence of devoted chess players is higher than the rest of the public.  Not to be elitist, but there is a correlation, as I said, in critical thinking, forethought and memorization, and perhaps crucially, the time-limitation element requires training of certain aspects of the brain that concern immediate access to knowledge and data, things of this nature.  Statistically speaking, chess players are significantly more intelligent that the average public. Congratulations.  I'll prepare your certificate.

Can you quote specific research that supports this, or is this just your opinion and conjecture?

ptd570
Jimmykay wrote:
jaqueconmate wrote:

The concept of "intelligence" is rather broad, as it includes not only the critical thinking, forethought and memorization required by chess, but also certain concepts not utilized in the game, such as extrapolation from known variables into "educated guesses."  While you cannot necessarily say that all chess players are smarter than non-chess players, it is without a doubt certain that the average intelligence of devoted chess players is higher than the rest of the public.  Not to be elitist, but there is a correlation, as I said, in critical thinking, forethought and memorization, and perhaps crucially, the time-limitation element requires training of certain aspects of the brain that concern immediate access to knowledge and data, things of this nature.  Statistically speaking, chess players are significantly more intelligent that the average public. Congratulations.  I'll prepare your certificate.

Can you quote specific research that supports this, or is this just your opinion and conjecture?

any reasonably intelligent person can safely deduce logic from impracticality, what <jaqueconmate> wrote did not stretch the boundaries of thoughtfulness but it did imply that rationally speaking from his/her experience the majority of those encountered in chess are not ignoramus. Any assaults on said perspicacious judgments only infers an injudicious perspective or also perhaps menial mindset striving to sublimate your own ambitions <Jimmykay>

Stay thirsty my friendWink

Ubik42
ptd570 wrote:
Jimmykay wrote:
jaqueconmate wrote:

The concept of "intelligence" is rather broad, as it includes not only the critical thinking, forethought and memorization required by chess, but also certain concepts not utilized in the game, such as extrapolation from known variables into "educated guesses."  While you cannot necessarily say that all chess players are smarter than non-chess players, it is without a doubt certain that the average intelligence of devoted chess players is higher than the rest of the public.  Not to be elitist, but there is a correlation, as I said, in critical thinking, forethought and memorization, and perhaps crucially, the time-limitation element requires training of certain aspects of the brain that concern immediate access to knowledge and data, things of this nature.  Statistically speaking, chess players are significantly more intelligent that the average public. Congratulations.  I'll prepare your certificate.

Can you quote specific research that supports this, or is this just your opinion and conjecture?

any reasonably intelligent person can safely deduce logic from impracticality, what <jaqueconmate> wrote did not stretch the boundaries of thoughtfulness but it did imply that rationally speaking from his/her experience the majority of those encountered in chess are not ignoramus. Any assaults on said perspicacious judgments only infers an injudicious perspective or also perhaps menial mindset striving to sublimate your own ambitions <Jimmykay>

Stay thirsty my friend

Smoke and mirrors aside, it remains conjecture unless supported by evidence. The plural of anecdote is not data.

ptd570

Kid, I already said my bad, I feel you, play on playa

Ubik42
ptd570 wrote:

Kid, I already said my bad, I feel you, play on playa

I am nearly 7 years older than you, sonny boy.

My parents tell me JFK waved to me on a highway a day or two before he was shot dead. Of course I was too young to wave back.

iMacChess

"Idrinkyourhealth wrote:

What is your IQ? What do you think would be the IQ of the promedium regular ches player ? The overall population promedium IQ is 100 if I'm not wrong. I'm not sure but I wouldd say that in general, people who play chess regulary keep their brain more active than other people, because chess requires to think logically. What do you think...?"

(((( I have found that the so-called IQ test results depends on which test you take. I've taken several test in the past and each time I've had a different IQ result. One said I had an IQ of 145 (talk about boosting your ego) and another said 127 and another one said 107. In my view people having a higher IQ and being dumb as the rock when it comes to the world is nothing to brag about. In the military I have known some very highly educated people who were dumb as can be when it came to doing the job. In other words IQs are highly overrated...)))

Jimmykay
ptd570 wrote:
Jimmykay wrote:
jaqueconmate wrote:

The concept of "intelligence" is rather broad, as it includes not only the critical thinking, forethought and memorization required by chess, but also certain concepts not utilized in the game, such as extrapolation from known variables into "educated guesses."  While you cannot necessarily say that all chess players are smarter than non-chess players, it is without a doubt certain that the average intelligence of devoted chess players is higher than the rest of the public.  Not to be elitist, but there is a correlation, as I said, in critical thinking, forethought and memorization, and perhaps crucially, the time-limitation element requires training of certain aspects of the brain that concern immediate access to knowledge and data, things of this nature.  Statistically speaking, chess players are significantly more intelligent that the average public. Congratulations.  I'll prepare your certificate.

Can you quote specific research that supports this, or is this just your opinion and conjecture?

any reasonably intelligent person can safely deduce logic from impracticality, what <jaqueconmate> wrote did not stretch the boundaries of thoughtfulness but it did imply that rationally speaking from his/her experience the majority of those encountered in chess are not ignoramus. Any assaults on said perspicacious judgments only infers an injudicious perspective or also perhaps menial mindset striving to sublimate your own ambitions <Jimmykay>

Stay thirsty my friend

Thank you for providing evidence that a good vocabulary does not always indicate intelligence.

The funniest line of your quote was this:

"Any assaults on said perspicacious judgments only infers an injudicious perspective or also perhaps menial mindset striving to sublimate your own ambitions.",

which means..."if you do not agree with me, you are an idiot." Hard to argue with that piece of rheorical nonsense.



DiogenesDue

Fact 3. Many of the top GM's of all time have reportedly had an IQ well over the genious level. (Polgar, Fischer, Kasparov and on and on...)

[bold added for emphasis]

Kasparov's IQ is only 134, not the ridiculous 170-190 numbers that get floated around ;)...those numbers are bogus, for both Fischer and Kasparov.

This puts Kasparov 4 points below me, so clearly I should be able to beat him in chess...right?

blitzjoker

It seems obvious to me that chess grandmasters are on average above average IQ.  Most of them seem to speak a couple of languages fluently, as well as having phenomenal calculation skills.  'Only' 134 is still in the top 5%.

Not sure that applies to the average player though. 

IQ is just a number; a high IQ indicates you are good at the things an IQ test measures, some of which (eg pattern recognition and logic) seem useful to chess players.

NobbyCapeTown

Thought I add my 2 pounds or 0.907185 kg worth.

Based on a PhD thesis written by Gvrosc Kravscrasc at the University of Novisibirsk during 1952, chess players have above average IQ's.

Not highly publicised, as nobody can pronounce his name, least of all remember it, but there it is !

Reminds me of an eye test where this Polish man was asked to read the letters PRJKRVCK and he said I don't have to read it, I know the guy.

Irontiger

Even assuming statistical data about the issue, you know : correlation, causation, all this.

The simple fact of having seen a chessboard makes you statistically richer than the average man on Earth (as Somalian farmers don't have that luck), and I would venture that richer people are more educated and hence more intelligent (in the sense of higher IQ scores).

Jimmykay
Irontiger wrote:

richer people are more educated and hence more intelligent (in the sense of higher IQ scores).

smells like bait, but I guess I will bite...education leads to higher intelligence?

DiogenesDue
mmuurrii wrote:
fallcified.

[...]

congratulations.... you are now a real dumbass. 

You'll have to pardon me if I don't find you credible ;)...

Irontiger
Jimmykay wrote:
Irontiger wrote:

richer people are more educated and hence more intelligent (in the sense of higher IQ scores).

smells like bait, but I guess I will bite...education leads to higher intelligence?

...in the sense of higher IQ scores, yes. At least statistically.

And no, I don't have those statistics, but I will be taking any bets you like.

 

(note on education : I'm not talking about PhD vs engineer, I'm talking about learning to read)

waffllemaster

Do chess players have better IQ?

Than what?  Snails?  Yes, chessplayers have better IQs than snails.

Irontiger
waffllemaster wrote:
Do chess players have better IQ?

Than what?  Snails?  Yes, chessplayers have better IQs than snails.

However, chess.com forum posters...

DiogenesDue
mmuurrii wrote:
...take it up with the bureau.  i couldn't care less what your iq is.  ?

how dare you question my credibility?   i don't even know what that is?, and, if i did have some?(credibility).... a dumbass(according to the bureau) like you, isn't qualified to determine that anyway. ? 

your function (as a dumbass) is to go around convincing everybody how smart you are. ?      .... you know....credible.  a really credible dumbass.

...not helping your cause.

Jimmykay
Irontiger wrote:
Jimmykay wrote:
Irontiger wrote:

richer people are more educated and hence more intelligent (in the sense of higher IQ scores).

smells like bait, but I guess I will bite...education leads to higher intelligence?

...in the sense of higher IQ scores, yes. At least statistically.

And no, I don't have those statistics, but I will be taking any bets you like.

 

(note on education : I'm not talking about PhD vs engineer, I'm talking about learning to read)

Fair enough...that seems likely.

412364

I have higher degrees and according to the old adage, BS, B_ll Sh_t, MS, M_re Sh_t, and PhD, Piled Higher and Deeper. Based on my High School IQ my guidance counselor advisor me to be a baker; certainly not a chess player Wink.

412364
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