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waffllemaster
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

I remember a thread a while back where the OP was griping cause after he said check to his opponent several times, the TD came over, and tipped his king for him.

That may have been Elubas.

After the first check, he was 0.01% sure,
after the second check, he was 0.0001% sure,

As a super-rational being, Elubas realized there was no way to be 100% sure, and so the only logical thing to do was keep reminding his opponent.

The TD was clearly unenlightened and coudln't appreciate Elubas' reasoning.

royalbishop
waffllemaster wrote:

Hmm, I guess I'm still having trouble understanding why you say it in the first place.  I re-read the posts and I think it's this?  Correct me if I'm wrong:

"I indeed thought there was a very low chance that my opponent would not notice that, but wanted to make sure."

So you're breaking a norm because, even if it's a very low chance, you either don't want your opponent to waste time analysing illegal moves, or you don't want him to make an illegal move.  Elubas, it is patronising to help an opponent.  You're supposed to beat them, it's a competition.  If you can't see this I have to think you can't understand your opponent's POV and are overly focused in your own little world of "wanting to be sure."

In any competition if my opponent helped me I'd either think they're rude or an idiot.


2013.2.2 comment #158

He is still has his sanity but with past experience we know it is futile.

Insanity will unavoidable at this point.

I agree with, we all agree with you but he does not.

Sooner or later he will wear you down.

He like the Energizer Bunny!

royalbishop

@Bicarbonatofsoda   Good one!

Conflagration_Planet
waffllemaster wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

I remember a thread a while back where the OP was griping cause after he said check to his opponent several times, the TD came over, and tipped his king for him.

That may have been Elubas.

After the first check, he was 0.01% sure,
after the second check, he was 0.0001% sure,

As a super-rational being, Elubas realized there was no way to be 100% sure, and so the only logical thing to do was keep reminding his opponent.

The TD was clearly unenlightened and coudln't appreciate Elubas' reasoning.

Laughing

royalbishop
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

I remember a thread a while back where the OP was griping cause after he said check to his opponent several times, the TD came over, and tipped his king for him.

I did that already! lol I checked my opponent 30+ consecutive time, no TD to come over. Game Ended in a draw by that

Draws

Occasionally chess games do not end with a winner, but with a draw. There are 5 reasons why a chess game may end in a draw:

  • The position reaches a stalemate where it is one player’s turn to move, but his king is NOT in check and yet he does not have another legal move
  • The players may simply agree to a draw and stop playing
  • There are not enough pieces on the board to force a checkmate (example: a king and a bishop vs. a king)
  • A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row)
  • Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece.

 (though not necessarily three times in a row) rule and he was still in check lol. Jacked up right.

royalbishop

Elubas' reasoning .... Pure Genius.

Like he said he is not trying to win and argument. It is not about winning an argument. Man i should have thought of that years ago. He also has other skills when making comments.

Spock would say his illogical logic is superior!

General " I don't have to understand how it works just show me how to use........scientist! "  Me using his methods in next thread i join.

Elubas

"Elubas, it is patronising to help an opponent."

Doesn't resigning help the opponent? Smile. You could put it a different way, like by saying, "it admits the other side's superiority," but unfortunately, it probably ends up helping them also Smile

"you can't understand your opponent's POV"

I don't know what my opponent's POV is because it depends on the particular person, although if I was on the side who was having "check" said to, I wouldn't get annoyed as I have said. So although this quote may be true, I'm not sure if it's relevant.

Anyway, I understand that I am making these strange philosophical arguments (they just seem to spew out of me), but they don't necessarily reflect what I would do. For example, if you were playing me, I would probably resign at some non-ridiculous point, and I wouldn't say "check." The fact that I am saying that people might have decent intentions as they do those things -- well, again, it's simply an annoying philosophical question that I have developed an annoying answer for Smile. But that's all it is. Yes, I did say "check" once -- once ;) And for the sake of everyone else, I won't do it again Smile

Elubas
waffllemaster wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

I remember a thread a while back where the OP was griping cause after he said check to his opponent several times, the TD came over, and tipped his king for him.

That may have been Elubas.

After the first check, he was 0.01% sure,
after the second check, he was 0.0001% sure,

As a super-rational being, Elubas realized there was no way to be 100% sure, and so the only logical thing to do was keep reminding his opponent.

The TD was clearly unenlightened and coudln't appreciate Elubas' reasoning.

I guess it's wrong, but you need to tell me why so I understand Smile

What I would imagine your point is, is that basically... the .000001% chance isn't worth it? Fair enough Laughing

ptobler

Don't be that guy, who with his opponent just a few moves short of winning but on the very edge of running out of time, makes his move, and then, not just hits the clock, but hits it with such force that it is knocked off the table with the opponent's time going!

waffllemaster
Elubas wrote:

"Elubas, it is patronising to help an opponent."

Doesn't resigning help the opponent? . You could put it a different way, like by saying, "it admits the other side's superiority," but unfortunately, it probably ends up helping them also

"you can't understand your opponent's POV"

I don't know what my opponent's POV is because it depends on the particular person, although if I was on the side who was having "check" said to, I wouldn't get annoyed as I have said. So although this quote may be true, I'm not sure if it's relevant.

Anyway, I understand that I am making these strange philosophical arguments (they just seem to spew out of me), but they don't necessarily reflect what I would do. For example, if you were playing me, I would probably resign at some non-ridiculous point, and I wouldn't say "check." The fact that I am saying that people might have decent intentions as they do those things -- well, again, it's simply an annoying philosophical question that I have developed an annoying answer for . But that's all it is. Yes, I did say "check" once -- once ;) And for the sake of everyone else, I won't do it again

Ok, that's kind of what I suspected, just taking a philosophical approach / devil's advocate kind of thing.

Yeah my opponent may have honorable intentions, but chess players in the heat of battle are a contentious bunch heh.

Honestly if someone said check to me a bunch, I woudln't be mad (if only because that'd make me play worse so I'd forget about it).  But it would be annoying, even admitting I have no idea why they said it.

waffllemaster
Elubas wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

I remember a thread a while back where the OP was griping cause after he said check to his opponent several times, the TD came over, and tipped his king for him.

That may have been Elubas.

After the first check, he was 0.01% sure,
after the second check, he was 0.0001% sure,

As a super-rational being, Elubas realized there was no way to be 100% sure, and so the only logical thing to do was keep reminding his opponent.

The TD was clearly unenlightened and coudln't appreciate Elubas' reasoning.

I guess it's wrong, but you need to tell me why so I understand

What I would imagine your point is, is that basically... the .000001% chance isn't worth it? Fair enough

Yes.  we're never sure of anything in life.  We have to make assumptions to function effectively :p

ptobler
MSteen wrote:

Don't be that guy who makes his move and then gets up and wanders around the playing hall EVERY TIME, as if paying attention to the game he's playing is beneath him--and so are you.

Don't be that guy who suddenly gets "sick" in a losing position and exhibits all the symptoms of stomach cramp, migraine, neuralgia, back pain, etc. but who miraculously recovers as soon as you drop a piece.

Don't be that guy who insists on playing with his completely sh***y equipment--wrinkled board, sticky pieces, queens with their heads broken off--just because he has black and gets to choose, while your brand new tournament set (triple weighted) sits idle in your bag.

Don't be that kid who just learned the moves last week who calls out "I see a good move" when watching a game between two players at least 1000 points higher than he.

DO, however, be that spectacularly well-endowed young lady who wears a blouse cut dangerously low just to distract your opponent. Hey, it's only a point, and the game will be soon forgotten. But the memories, ah, the memories!


To quote Frank Sinatra about his dearly departed wife: "Ah, the mammaries, thanks for the mammaries."

latvianlover

Thanks for all the great ideas, people! I will try them out at the Century West Open, Jan 11-13, at the Radisson, 6225 W Century Bl. LA, Ca. and report back the results. Registration ends at 6pm Friday for 3day. Saturday at 10am for 2day.

royalbishop
waffllemaster wrote:
Elubas wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

I remember a thread a while back where the OP was griping cause after he said check to his opponent several times, the TD came over, and tipped his king for him.

That may have been Elubas.

After the first check, he was 0.01% sure,
after the second check, he was 0.0001% sure,

As a super-rational being, Elubas realized there was no way to be 100% sure, and so the only logical thing to do was keep reminding his opponent.

The TD was clearly unenlightened and coudln't appreciate Elubas' reasoning.

I guess it's wrong, but you need to tell me why so I understand

What I would imagine your point is, is that basically... the .000001% chance isn't worth it? Fair enough

Yes.  we're never sure of anything in life.  We have to make assumptions to function effectively :p


Was that check, Check or CHECK?

Now saying "C-H-E-C-K   check" can be annoying.

royalbishop
waffllemaster wrote:
Elubas wrote:

"Elubas, it is patronising to help an opponent."

Doesn't resigning help the opponent? . You could put it a different way, like by saying, "it admits the other side's superiority," but unfortunately, it probably ends up helping them also

"you can't understand your opponent's POV"

I don't know what my opponent's POV is because it depends on the particular person, although if I was on the side who was having "check" said to, I wouldn't get annoyed as I have said. 

 Hey hold up wait a minute.

How do we really know your point of view. At the moment that happens to you how can you say how you would really respond. What events happen in the game leading up to that point. How was your week?

Your reaction may come out "shut up i can cleary see that here" You may even respond "oh you think your funny wait till you see this next move" How do we know if your on medication and you forget to take your meds that day and shoot up the joint?

______

Yeah i know you by know and how you will respond bla bla bla. You will open up with you can assure us that you are not on any meds and have not been on any in the past and the future looks the same as you are in perfect mental health  oh i better and your body is ok also!!!!!

How do we know?   (For some strange reason i hear Whitney Houston and she say How will i know, how will i know.....)

royalbishop
latvianlover wrote:

Thanks for all the great ideas, people! I will try them out at the Century West Open, Jan 11-13, at the Radisson, 6225 W Century Bl. LA, Ca. and report back the results. Registration ends at 6pm Friday for 3day. Saturday at 10am for 2day.

Don't forget the Lysol Opening dude!

 Have to use the original (only that works)


 

fissionfowl

Just a sidenote: Having royalbishop on the forums seems to be the equivalent of a wasp in the car. Particularly for Elubas I imagine.

bobbyDK

..:don't be that guy at the tournament who before the game starts writes 1 in front of his name on his scoresheet and zero in front of the opponent...An opponent did that to me - he lost the game.

..:don't be that guy that takes some of my liquorice without asking...
I had just purchased some liquorice and a coke and sat down in front of my opponent, without asking he just said "good idea" and took a handfuld of my liquorice. I would probably have given him some if he had asked but seriously just taking?? a dubious move

...)don't be that guy that kicks me under the table.

 

doctor_seuss

wait who are you taking about

bobbyDK

don't be that guy at a chess tournaments who announces that there is now more fresh coffee.....in most tournaments I have been the TD will tell everyone loud there is now more coffee.

don't be the guy who sits and analysis his game in the game room with his opponent.