Before many is "a few", though, which is 3-18 inclusive.
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Snapback at S2.
Sounds like everybody got it. The whole group of white stones in the corner is dead because of the snap back at s1 and the throw in (sacrifice of one stone) at r2 (after white captures black two stones by playing at p2).
Here's one more. Black to play
I see! Then one e mops up ...
Yep! White can't play at f1 in response because that would put itself in atari (one move from capture).
Both these puzzle are from http://gogameguru.com/ a really nice site for fans of the game. They cover what's happening with top pro's and tournaments in the world (as well as other news from the go world) and have master commentary of current pro games. The man who runs the site (David Ormerod) is a real sweetie and usually does his best to answer questions.
A wonderful fighting game with commentary!
rest of the game:
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYEF-4zF0FM
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6CDlTPwcAw
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O47IHNgJykc
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzmZC9eiUxQ
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-8Su2yLA5E
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAaKN3VL3ZQ
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0r0rUy7SFk
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf1NxlpCMEw
Some of these problems listed are quite simple. A problem set called the Xuan Xuan Qi Jing is more interesting, published 1347 AD, with solutions:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?XuanxuanQijingProblems
plutonia wrote:
I read the rules of Go, it sounds interesting but it lacks something important: the emotions. In chess you emphasize with your pieces, that are your army, your soldiers and you command them. There is no such "personalization" of the pieces in Go where you have hundreds of stones that are all the same. Then the explosion of a forced combination. The slow strategical battle that culminates in the "knock out blow". The ending that is so clear cut, so much satisfaction for the winner and so much "humiliation" for the loser. Even the fact that you eventually win with a pawn, that then Queens, and you checkmate mercilessly dominating with Q+K vs K leaves no doubt on who won and who lost.
I got put off by Go when I read that the game ends when a player says "pass" and the other one says "pass". Then to decide who win and lose you have to...count. And sometimes it's not even clear who won or who lost, that's a joke.
Go can keep his tree complexity. It doesn't have even the shadows of the satisfaction that a chess game can give you.
Pfft...... Those who don't play go never know this.... Weiqi is the best game ever. There is emotion in this game, too. When you place a stone down, you're commiting yourself to that move. That shows the true way of life. The game tree of go is 10 ^174, which is more than chess. Go is war!!!
Hi im new here, im a Go Tutor in Tengen Go Club, i also teach Go in many others places (including Diego Portales University) and i like chess too, but my lvl at chess is not that good, pheraps, i can asure Go is harder to master than chess not just for the posivilities tree, there are others severals causes like the sides of the brain that are needed to train on each game, or the way you follow to archive the victory, in chess its very clear, if you can make a correct chain of moves that let you mate the enemy king, you won, if you cant, you play to maximize the chances to create that chain, but in Go you need to count points (including komi, standar komi are 6,5 fre points for white), the problem here is your count is always diferent to the oponent count because it relays on your strategy, for example, when you are about to play sabaki, you just count the halfe of the points, but yur opponent not neccesary want to take those stones, so he counts the full score of thar group
anyway, i play Go just because i LOVE IT, and y play chess because its amazing too, chess is wonderfull, you are a commander taking your army to victory, but Go is wonderfull too, it has lot of emotion, and wisdome in the board, stones are only the same when they are in the bowl, when you play a stone in the board it takes a very different value of almost evry other stone (or group) in the board, and you need to recognize that value, its awesome :D
One of these days you will have to teach me Go
In any Zero-sum game, it is meaningless to say to either one is "harder".
Thanx
of course i can teach you 
..but hou have to help me to improve my ches 
jeje
to Jimmykay, mmm about wich is harder, i guess chess is harder to learn at first, but Go is harder to master at highest lvls
ArcadesGriffith wrote:
of course i can teach you ..but hou have to help me to improve my ches jeje
to Jimmykay, mmm about wich is harder, i guess chess is harder to learn at first, but Go is harder to master at highest lvls
In both Go and chess, there are exactly 10 people in the world in the top 10. The only arguement one can make that it is harder to get into the top 10 is to say that more people play Go than Chess.
Hmm, go is probably harder to play a perfect game among beings who are able to play both a perfect game of chess and go.
But for humans they're equally impossible to play at the theoretically highest level.
shell_knight wrote:
Hmm, go is probably harder to play a perfect game among beings who are able to play both a perfect game of chess and go.
I would agree. Go is certainly more complex that chess.
do they have female GMS in Go?
zazen5 wrote:
@ Plutonia: You said: "Compare it with chess where you have "your guys" that are hellbent on killing the enemy king." Sorry, I just dont get that excited about chess given that the limitation of the game's starting position doesnt allow the players inherent unconscious mind to influence the opening very much. Chess is like a debate. Go is the closest thing you can get to a knife fight without actually getting knife wounds. Mentally speaking Go is much much like real combat without the relaxation and non realism that international chess provides. Seriously on what army is the second in charge a strong woman? This is seriously laughable. The Chinese say the same thing about international chess. Try playing Xiangqi, chinese chess, its horribly hard, even much harder than Go. Chess has its place, but alas the non involvement of the right hemisphere of the brain in addition to the highly tactical nature and non deepness of the game make it hard to grow with the game. And contemporary chess analysis hardly makes efforts to explain why each move is either offensive or defensive or long range implications, because that is next to impossible, as the pieces move, while in weichi or go, they cannot. Therefore it is more suitable to train easily with go on say for example, move 50 had this implication here locally and globally, etc etc etc...
The picture of the chess board you put is quite simplistic. Try multiplying this about 20 times(at least) for a 19x19 board and you have wei-chi during a typical game. This is why Go is more exciting. You are not limited to one drawn out situation.
All this being said, the reality that chess materials are more accessible than Go materials is especially comforting should the internet implode, if there is a world war, if the power goes out, etc, then I could study the many chess books with a board. This is how it was in the past, there wasnt much available, and as such chess offers a rich experience independent of technology. At the same time I also have tons of books on weichi and problems, so I could study those too.
I have included a paste from one of the sites with very very strong players from mainland China. Enjoy. And no the file editor on implementing documents on this site(chess.com), sucks, so here is the link: http://www.wuzheng.me/g90747
Does that mean that wei-chi=a chess game played on a 40x40 board with 5 different full armies?
Let's put it like this: There is one, and there are two, and some are many.