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how much of chess is natural talent


  • 2 months ago · Quote · #141

    Moses2792796

    JDzokic wrote:

    Yes, and we now know that the Tabula Rasa theory is completely wrong and that a very large part of your potential capabilities are defined by your genetics.  Why should chess be any different?

    what is there a chess gene? 

    or maybe this whole topic just a way to discuss, again, the relationship between i.q. and chess without stating it upfront? 

    seems pretty clear to me that anyone who is highly intelligent will be able to attain expert strength at least. to get to FM, IM, GM level you probably have to be an SD or two above the average in regards to intelligence, but intelligence is not the only factor. it's only one part of the equation. it's readily possible to have two people with nearly identicle i.q.'s but one of them being a much better chess player. 

    Of course there is not a 'chess gene', but it is likely that a large part of your chess potential is genetically based, depending on the scope and type of your intelligence.  As you say, IQ is not the sole factor in determining chess potential, certain people are more naturally inclined to the type of thought processes that high level chess requires.  So you've already admitted that a reasonably high level of intelligence (a largely genetic factor) is a prerequisite for being a strong chess player, I would say that the other factors are genetic too.  Even work ethic, which is necessary to reach your potential, is probably genetically influenced.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #142

    Yereslov

    The idea that the love of chess is engrained in your DNA is unscientific.

    Chess is an abstract concept. Likes and dislikes cannot be passed from one person to another.

    If a man loses his arm in his thirties, that does not mean that his son will be born armless.

    The same applies here. 

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #143

    Yereslov

    Moses2792796 wrote:
    JDzokic wrote:

    Yes, and we now know that the Tabula Rasa theory is completely wrong and that a very large part of your potential capabilities are defined by your genetics.  Why should chess be any different?

    what is there a chess gene? 

    or maybe this whole topic just a way to discuss, again, the relationship between i.q. and chess without stating it upfront? 

    seems pretty clear to me that anyone who is highly intelligent will be able to attain expert strength at least. to get to FM, IM, GM level you probably have to be an SD or two above the average in regards to intelligence, but intelligence is not the only factor. it's only one part of the equation. it's readily possible to have two people with nearly identicle i.q.'s but one of them being a much better chess player. 

    Of course there is not a 'chess gene', but it is likely that a large part of your chess potential is genetically based, depending on the scope and type of your intelligence.  As you say, IQ is not the sole factor in determining chess potential, certain people are more naturally inclined to the type of thought processes that high level chess requires.  So you've already admitted that a reasonably high level of intelligence (a largely genetic factor) is a prerequisite for being a strong chess player, I would say that the other factors are genetic too.  Even work ethic, which is necessary to reach your potential, is probably genetically influenced.

    I suggest you study up a bit more.

    "While all cells in your body contain essentially the same genome, the chemical tags on the DNA and histones get rearranged in different cell types. The epigenome can also change throughout a person's lifetime.

    Consider the case of identical twins. Although they share nearly the same genome, their bodies may not be exactly identical. One twin may weigh more, for example, or develop arthritis. Researchers think that at least some of these differences are due to changes in the epigenome."

    http://www.genome.gov/27532724

    Video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7dDd1bvNfA

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #144

    Moses2792796

    Yereslov wrote:

    The idea that the love of chess is engrained in your DNA is unscientific.

    Chess is an abstract concept. Likes and dislikes cannot be passed from one person to another.

    If a man loses his arm in his thirties, that does not mean that his son will be born armless.

    The same applies here. 

    Obviously the love of chess is not a specific trait that can be inherited, but a great deal of your personality, and therefore your propensity for interest in certain activities, is.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #145

    rmurray

    Yereslov wrote:
    Moses2792796 wrote:
    JDzokic wrote:

    Yes, and we now know that the Tabula Rasa theory is completely wrong and that a very large part of your potential capabilities are defined by your genetics.  Why should chess be any different?

    what is there a chess gene? 

    or maybe this whole topic just a way to discuss, again, the relationship between i.q. and chess without stating it upfront? 

    seems pretty clear to me that anyone who is highly intelligent will be able to attain expert strength at least. to get to FM, IM, GM level you probably have to be an SD or two above the average in regards to intelligence, but intelligence is not the only factor. it's only one part of the equation. it's readily possible to have two people with nearly identicle i.q.'s but one of them being a much better chess player. 

    Of course there is not a 'chess gene', but it is likely that a large part of your chess potential is genetically based, depending on the scope and type of your intelligence.  As you say, IQ is not the sole factor in determining chess potential, certain people are more naturally inclined to the type of thought processes that high level chess requires.  So you've already admitted that a reasonably high level of intelligence (a largely genetic factor) is a prerequisite for being a strong chess player, I would say that the other factors are genetic too.  Even work ethic, which is necessary to reach your potential, is probably genetically influenced.

    I suggest you study up a bit more.

    "While all cells in your body contain essentially the same genome, the chemical tags on the DNA and histones get rearranged in different cell types. The epigenome can also change throughout a person's lifetime.

    Consider the case of identical twins. Although they share nearly the same genome, their bodies may not be exactly identical. One twin may weigh more, for example, or develop arthritis. Researchers think that at least some of these differences are due to changes in the epigenome."

    http://www.genome.gov/27532724

    Video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7dDd1bvNfA

    The only time when non-fun-activities shall be prioritized is when they are essential for survival.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #146

    MrDamonSmith

    None of it! None of it is talent or how hard you try or study or any of that nonsense. It's all luck. Just plain ol' simple luck, like flipping a coin. Chesss is just all luck people

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #147

    MrDamonSmith

    Just a game of luck

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #148

    rmurray

    MrDamonSmith wrote:

    None of it! None of it is talent or how hard you try or study or any of that nonsense. It's all luck. Just plain ol' simple luck, like flipping a coin. Chesss is just all luck people


    ....luck, and good smoke.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #149

    MrDamonSmith

    We can all just quit now. It was fun while it lasted... but, every one of you are wasting your time trying to get any better because, must I say it again?      

       It's just luck

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #150

    MrDamonSmith

    Ok. My work here is done. I'll go bother another thread now


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