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Is the h3/h6 bishop kickback considered undesirable?

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dec_lan

Often in my games I'll have my knight pinned by my opponent's black bishop on g4. I think a fairly classic move is h3, making your opponent choosing between (a) Pulling the bishop back to its original diagonal, losing the pin, (b) pulling the bishop back to h5 and preserving the pin, or (c) trading with the knight.

 

Now, just to point out, I know you can (and I often do) do h3 before the bishop is there, so he'll never have the opportunity to pin you in the first place. Basically, is having the h3 pawn out slightly weaker than having it in?

 

The advantages I see are:

-Opponent's pieces can't move there, so you're gaining a space you can attack without losing any

-You can't lose from back row rook checkmates now

While only disadvantage seems to be that your 3 pawns in front of the king are now slightly less 'versatile', if that makes any sense.

 

What's the general consensus? Is it slightly weaker, or ok?

Arctor

Your rating is 1995 Undecided

dec_lan
Arctor wrote:

Your rating is 1995 


And I can weewee all by myself now too!!

browni3141

I often find myself playing h3 when I just don't know what else to do. I have to play a move so I play a forcing h3/h6. When playing it for this reason it is just a lazy man's move. Unless you intend to play g4 at some point, which you probably won't when already castled kingside, h3 may be somewhat weakening. I would imagine it wouldn't be very good if your opponent hasn't yet castled, and you have castled kingside because he may decide not to go kingside and start a pawn storm.

dec_lan
pfren wrote:

I see no pinned knight here. What's your definition of a pin?

Black's play is aiming at some control over the d4 square, so the most logical move for white is 5.c3.

5.h3, while not a bad move in itself, is not terribly helpful.


Sorry, I guess you're right, I guess to technically be a pin, the piece behind the "pinned piece" has to be more valuable. I've changed it so it's definitely a pin now.

ThePeanutMonster

Chernev's book "Logical Chess Move by Move" is essentially a treatise against playing h3 and how it will destroy your position. His extreme view on not playing h3 has been analysed a little by Heisman and Nunn: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/heisman118.pdf. An interesting read.

ThePeanutMonster

Yeah, I didn't find it that bad if you take it witha grain of salt. Certianly his h3 stuff is a little over the top, but there are other interesting things that I got out of the book. It's nice for an introduction to strategy I think.

TheBone1

I'll take a stab at this (1400 here, please remember!).  In the position above, Blacks' light colored bishop is the stronger of his two.  So, I would say in the position above, it would be to white's advantage to attack the bishop.  If black agrees to exchange the light squared bishop for the knight, this seems like an overall exchange advantage for white.

dec_lan
LordNazgul wrote:

The position in the diagram seems to be  from Ruy Lopez Exchange, but the White played Nc3 instead of the more common 0-0. (And the Black took on c6 with the b pawn from some reason.) It seems to me that it's reasonable to play h3 now because after the White is castled the Black will be able to reply h3 with h5, where the White couldn't then take the Bishop right away as he would fall into the Fishing Pole trap. But probably this move isn't necessary.


Yeah, I just did some random common opening moves to get to this position.

knightsremains

Yes

knightsremains

Agree with post #4.