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Is winning on time 'bad manners'?


  • 13 months ago · Quote · #21

    TheGreatOogieBoogie

    The problem with many of us mortal players is that we don't take enough time per position and play a 60 minute per side or 6 hour game as if it were blitz.  When you learn to take your time then you practice time management. 

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #22

    finns

    K-Sergey wrote:
    macer75 wrote:
    K-Sergey wrote:

    Aren't you agree, that if you have just king and opponent has total material advantage (like pawns and few pieces) and you win by time - you will feel pretty shitty about your win? 

     

    In these cases, if your opponent runs out of time the game is a draw by insufficient material. There are a bunch of threads discussing this on the forums.

    Let's add one pawn to your King to make it "no draw" by law. I did mention "one king" metaphorically. I agree - what most people saying. I agree - if you have 2 from 10 min left and your opponent run of time. But if you have 10 sec left and win by time having totally lost position - it is not quit   taste good in my opinion and more fair to agree for draw.

    Just because you have material does not make it a win. The fide rules state that you have to be able to win 'against the most unskilled counterplay'

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #23

    FirebrandX

    finns wrote:

    Just because you have material does not make it a win. The fide rules state that you have to be able to win 'against the most unskilled counterplay'

    That's only in an OTB situation where the TD can have the discretion of ruling it a draw. In automated online blitz chess, the tradition has always been to rule it a loss on time if the other side has anything to potentially give checkmate with. This is because that's the only way to have an automated working server concept to begin with. Otherwise, you'll have staff having to go over thousands of blitz games in order to adjudicate them properly, and nobody wants to deal with that.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #24

    landwehr

    just get over the idea that it is ever bad manners to win on time...time is part of the game and must be managed, just like every other piece...

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #25

    landwehr

    perhaps the thought should be that it is very bad manners to lose on time

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #26

    mic15counterstrategy

    Its simple if you dont get your opponent in mate before youre time is up, youre not good enough. Only in matches where you have 10mins you can play slow.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #27

    dzikus

    landwehr napisał:

    just get over the idea that it is ever bad manners to win on time...time is part of the game and must be managed, just like every other piece...

    That is a very good point. I also think that it is perfectly fair to win on time.

    At higher level chess this is even unpolite to continue play in a totally lost position - giving respect to the opponent means believing he is able to launch checkmate. So playing only on time is considered a very bad habit at master and higher level - but I mean playing on time in a lost position or a dead draw! In a "normal" position it is fair.

    However, in amateur games it is normal to play till checkmate or "bare kings" and playing on time should be considered just another form of implementing this idea. If you require your opponent to show that he knows how to checkmate it is ok to require him do so quickly.

    So, an average member of chess.com should not feel guilty for playing on time even at 2 moves before mate - and noone should feel guilty when the position is still full of play (not a dead theoretical draw)

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #28

    Farmerfreak

    Is winning on time bad manners? No

    Claiming that the opponent should have resigned because they themselves did not have enough time left on their clock to finish the game.. That my friend, is bad manners! If someone doesn't have enough time to deliver checkmate in an otherwise won position. It is entirely their own fault.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #29

    finns

    FirebrandX wrote:
    finns wrote:

    Just because you have material does not make it a win. The fide rules state that you have to be able to win 'against the most unskilled counterplay'

    That's only in an OTB situation where the TD can have the discretion of ruling it a draw. In automated online blitz chess, the tradition has always been to rule it a loss on time if the other side has anything to potentially give checkmate with. This is because that's the only way to have an automated working server concept to begin with. Otherwise, you'll have staff having to go over thousands of blitz games in order to adjudicate them properly, and nobody wants to deal with that.

    It rules it a draw if the side with time left has a king, king and knight, king and two knights or king and bishop.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #30

    ivandh

    Winning in any form against me is very poor etiquette.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #31

    ubuntux

    :D ivandh

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #32

    finns

    ivandh wrote:

    Winning in any form against me is very poor etiquette.

    So almost half your opponents have poor etiquette. Very logical!

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #33

    GreenLeaf14

    finns wrote:
    FirebrandX wrote:
    finns wrote:

    Just because you have material does not make it a win. The fide rules state that you have to be able to win 'against the most unskilled counterplay'

    That's only in an OTB situation where the TD can have the discretion of ruling it a draw. In automated online blitz chess, the tradition has always been to rule it a loss on time if the other side has anything to potentially give checkmate with. This is because that's the only way to have an automated working server concept to begin with. Otherwise, you'll have staff having to go over thousands of blitz games in order to adjudicate them properly, and nobody wants to deal with that.

    It rules it a draw if the side with time left has a king, king and knight, king and two knights or king and bishop.

    I think a pair of knights or a knight and a bishop are enough to mate your opponent so why call it a draw?


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