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Yeah there's no reason the device would make you a better player. As long as you take good notation on your paper game score, you can fair just as well with that.
The value of any purchase is unique to the person making the purchase. Everyone weighs the value differently. Everyone values money differently.
To some people the time saved entering the games is more valuable than the money spent, and to some people it isn't.
I find that for me the benefits which are time saved, and scorekeeping accuracy justify the price. Others will value those things differently.
A nice alternative to the device mentioned might be a Nintendo DS with Chessmaster or similar program installed. There might also be some nice PDA or Palmtop software out there. Either way, there are better choices than the buggy, expensive, non-upgradable gadget mentioned.
That would not be legal in a USCF tournament game. Monroi's are built specifically with added security preventing them from running an engine. Part of the cost likely is due to the difficulty and risk of them obtaining USCF licensing.
Really Kevin? I missed that. Who was using it, do you know? I would have objected, if that was my opponent. They aren't supposed to use iPads to to record games.
iPads aren't legal to even have turned on in the playing rooms.
Where did you hear that from? I am only asking because i got an app called chess score pad that i use on my iPad to record moves since i am always missing something when i write moves. My understanding was that it was ok to use so long as the tournament director permits it. The app was about $7
It's against USCF rules. Look up digital recording or something like that.
USCF only permits such devices if, like Monroi, they cannot run any sort of engine or analysis app on the machine. They have a qualifying process the recorder has to go through, as of a couple of years ago Monroi was the only one approved.
But I heard another company was going to apply, never heard what happened with that. Once there is competition the prices will come down.
But no computer in the player hall at any time - it's an automatic forfeit. You can't even have a cell phone turned on in there.
I found the article regarding the use of electronic data recorders. It seems that they have added a few more devices. Here is the link to the article:
I've thought about getting one; however, it does seem to be a bit fluffy. Recording my moves with a pencil is not that big of a deal.
my dad was at a scholastic committee meeting with the USCF recently and he told me that Bill Hall (head of USCF) said that they were looking into an app that could be used with the iPhone.
The problem with the enotate and/or an iphone app if one were to be approved is that it is hard for people to verify that the user is using the approved app and not something with an engine. At least with a Monroi you can be reasonably sure that nothing illegal is going on. I played against a low rated player a while back who was using an enotate and wasn't completely sure he was legal until he played a few really bad moves and it became completely obvious he wasn't using any engine.
So, am I to understand that if you're playing someone who has this device, that you don't have to record the moves?! Heck, I'll just exchange emails at the end, and have them email me a copy, saves me time, and also $359 dollars. Thanks other people!
remind me again: Why would you spend 100 bucks for something that just transfers games to a database automatically when you can buy Chessbase for 10 bucks and just manually insert it? It takes about a minute more...
I have actually found a situation where I think a device like this would be worth the money if I had it to spend. I "coach" my son's high school team (really I'm just the only parent who knows enough and is willing to volunteer, but that's beside the point). One of my kids has some physical challenges and his aide has to move his pieces, record his moves and push the clock for him. His aide doesn't know anything about chess. A monroi or similar device would make his aide's life much, much easier. Other than situations like that, it's a waste of money . ..
I own one and it did help me in many ways. I was 8 years old back then who had troubles writing and doing the write-down-then-make-a-move sequence on a consistent basis. Other than that, the major advantage, which is really not much of one anymore now that I'm older, is that it's one less thing to think about while OTB.
The disadvantages are the cost, and the fact that I seem to lose the stylus pens pretty easily.
I'm not sure I understand. When you say one less thing to think about, you still have to take your eyes off the board, lean over, and record the move.
As for me, writing down the move becomes so much a rhythm that it throws me off if I don't record the move after each move.
I see. Glad it worked well for you.
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