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My first rated game in a few years. Trying to learn some openings, first London.

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MrDamonSmith

Ill annotate it briefly, nothing in depth yet. Sorry for the spelling errors.

As my opponent played Rg4 he offered a draw. I thought for 3-4 minutes and accepted. I felt I was a bit better. The reasons: Q side majority, 3 pieces to 2, he has one R thats in kind of an area where its awkward and will require several moves to get it back into a more relevant area. I had 33 minutes left to his 54 but there were NO increments or delay so I accepted. Also, I hadnt played in a while.

Im trying to learn the London System, this is my first rated game with it. Any advice or thoughts would be appreciated.

chessmaster102

you did well and im learning it myself so the analysis you gave is basically what I would say.

KingGS007

Come on aftr ur oppoent played the move c5 may be u should have played d5 its very aggressive push c3 was to passive..?

he was looking for clarendon court aftr u play d5 may he planned the move f5 and in this system white's light squares are really weak i will send u a link go through tht.

KingGS007

this end game is simply better for white no doubt and may be black could have gone for minority attack too here.

KingGS007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9qwNWR9clI

Plz go through this video

MrDamonSmith

Its true about d5 being best. I used to play it, I will go watch that video though. I was trying to force the game into a London Sytem and this was the first time Ive used this opening in tournament play. I need to learn how to control e5 in this system better than I did. But as it turns out he was mistaken in trying to force the e5 pawn advance so soon, he hadnt completed his development and there was the 14.Nc4! shot that I missed during the game that proved he wasnt ready for such an advance that early.

MrDamonSmith

By the way, how do you post links to videos on here? Or links to anything for that matter? And posting photos?

KingGS007

simple copy and paste

KingGS007

his sacrifice was bad and didnt have any good follow up and may be if u had tym it was just winning end game with minor peices over rook

KingGS007

exd4 was also bad better was cxd4 , capture the pawn towards the center

MrDamonSmith

I know the general prinsiples say capture towards the center but you have to look at weakened squares afterwards. I actually wanted an open e file and I wanted b4 protected. I agree about the ending, thats why I went into it. But several years earlier I lost a better ending after a many years layoff (my first game back then also) because of the clock issue. I guess I was a bit clock shy after he ran my clock out in a very simplified, drawn position.

KingGS007

aftr exd5 his best idea was to play  b7-b5 followed by b4 and creating a strategic target . though i still dont find a good enf reason why nt to capture with c pawn as u get open c file and at least u avoid a simple minority attack as in both the positions u cntrl the same squares and have same weak squares , if u chck this position in an engine houdini 3.0 the best move should be cxd4 and secnd best as exd4.

MrDamonSmith

Sure thing, supreme overlord. Ill try to get up to your level before I post again. Im sorry, I hope you forgive me oh supreme one.

KingGS007

and yes h3 was nt the best move u r rite here.

MrDamonSmith

hmm. I dont have an engine. But I felt I couldnt do anything with the c file. what eval does it give at

the end of the game?

MrDamonSmith

The reason Im trying to learn it is beacuase Ive never really learned openings and dont want to spent my whole life thoroughly learning  5 different openings. The STRUCTURES are all similar (Slav, Caro Kann, London) thats why Im learning it. I just want to be in each game after the opening.

KingGS007

i will tell u by evning nw i need to go to my chess academy anyhw u had good ideas during the game thts more important thing and u can try to prepare openings before the game so tht u play faster the opening.

MrDamonSmith

Do you mean 14.Nc4!, yeah it wins an exchange AND several positional plusses as well. His central control is gone, he has an isolani with no dynamic play as compensation, hes behind in development, etc.

Red56

I prefer 7. Ne5 after black's 6...Bd6.  It's pretty typical in the London for white to jam his knight in e5 in positions like this.   If black responds 7...Bxe5, 8.Bxe5 and you gain the bishop pair.  Keep in mind that black cannot play 7...Nxe5 because after 8.dxe5, black loses material.  Also, black cannot try to pile up on the white knight on e5 with 7...Nd7 because white can respond 8.Nxf7 Kxf7 9.Bxd6, winning a pawn and the bishop pair.

 

Also, despite what KingGS007 said, I see no problem with 9.exd4.  It allows a rook lift towards the kingside, which is likely where black is castling anyway since his c pawn is gone.

nimzovitch2013

While it's true the Caro Kann and Slav seem like a good matchup with the London, they are however loaded with theory these days, so in that sense not such a good match. Unless you play the Slav in offbeat fashion, such as perhaps using 4...Qb6 in the Slav, followed by ...Bf5 or ...Bg4. To help dodge so much theory, instead of the Caro Kann have you considered the Scandinavian using 3...Qd8 (1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8) followed by ...Nf6, ...c6, ...Bf5 (or ...Bg4). The catch is these are not optimal ways to play the Slav and Scandi, but neither is the London optimal for white. You get the low theory you want and playable games, though some would argue they are barely playable.

 

Of course you should at least use free online databases to help with learning your move selection in these lines. For instance, in the 3...Qd8 Scandinavian after 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5 3 Nc3 Qd8 4 d4 Nf6 5 Bc4 (instead of 5 Nf3) playing 5...Bf5 is an error because white has the f3 square still available and can play 6 Qf3 hitting the loose bishop on f5 and the loose pawn on b7. Black typically plays 5...c6 against 5 Bc4, preparing to get his queen's bishop out. 


If you are interested in opening books on those lines, Houska does some coverage of 3...Qd8 in her book on the Scandinavian, and Win with London is the go to book on the London. Win with the London by Johnsen and Kovacevic is about playing 2 Bf4 instead of 2 Nf3, the tempo saved from delaying the development of the king's knight is possibly used for development on the queenside in order to help offset black's quick queenside attack (with moves such as ...c5, ...Nc6, ...Qb6, ..c4 attacking a white queen on b3, ...Bf5) that can give white even more trouble in the 2 Nf3 3 Bf4 lines. I'm not aware of any books covering 4...Qb6 in the Slav. Kamsky has played games with it, and some other strong players have used it on occasion. Database is probably the only resource.