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shredder classic, this engine is good to test strength? better then Fritz 12 that when we play handicap game with the engine programed to play at 1000 ELO its very stong like 2000 ELO player not doing humen mystakes
Analysis: Deep Rybka 3
Database: ChessBase Mega Database 2009
Tactics: Chessimo; Peshk@ with Convekta Chess Tactics for Beginners/Intermediate
Guess-the-move: Chess Hero
Nov 12, 2009
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#6
I agree with Shredder. I recently purchased Shredder 12 for Linux. Here is my review:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2330314/shredder_12_for_linuxbased_systems.html?cat=15
its possible to play against a 1700 ELO engine for example playing like a humen but not doing a very good master game with blunders making this a stupid simulation?
Nov 13, 2009
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#8
Yea, Shredder can be "dumbed down" to match any rating :). Many engines can.
dumbed down? sorry im not english to understand that you mean.
for example, chessmaster can do that but a 1600 personality on that program gives pawns away to be that rating but sometimes find a mate in 6 moves.
more engines do that and i dont like it
ps: chessmaster sucks
rybka is just a engine and chessmaster is a beginners learning game with drills and tutorials. good way to start but not recommended for improvment.
CristianoCorreia wrote:
dumbed down? sorry im not english to understand that you mean.
for example, chessmaster can do that but a 1600 personality on that program gives pawns away to be that rating but sometimes find a mate in 6 moves.
more engines do that and i dont like it
ps: chessmaster sucks
I have yet to see an engine that can realistically impersonate a human player of a certain level. That's why I hate playing against programs that attempt to do that.
rooperi wrote:
CristianoCorreia wrote:
dumbed down? sorry im not english to understand that you mean.
for example, chessmaster can do that but a 1600 personality on that program gives pawns away to be that rating but sometimes find a mate in 6 moves.
more engines do that and i dont like it
ps: chessmaster sucks
I have yet to see an engine that can realistically impersonate a human player of a certain level. That's why I hate playing against programs that attempt to do that.
I recently got Shredder Classic 4 after using Chessmaster 11 for a couple of months. I find that Shredder plays much more like a human player and doesn't throw in those ridiculous moves every once in awhile like Chessmaster seems to do.
Feb 4, 2010
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#13
This is just an impression, but I think Chessmaster is the only program that plays such a weird mix of ultrastrong and ultraweak moves. There are a lot of engines that come much closer to imitating a consistent elo level using their uci_limitstrength and uci_elo parameters: Shredder, Rybka, Sjeng and Hiarcs among the commercial engines, as well as free engines like Homer, Tornado and Ufim.
rigamagician wrote:
This is just an impression, but I think Chessmaster is the only program that plays such a weird mix of ultrastrong and ultraweak moves. There are a lot of engines that come much closer to imitating a consistent elo level using their uci_limitstrength and uci_elo parameters: Shredder, Rybka, Sjeng and Hiarcs among the commercial engines, as well as free engines like Homer, Tornado and Ufim.
Dually noted, however I also believe that the chessbase engines play far too strongly and usually don't reflect the weaker level they portray to have. As far as handicaps go Chessmaster does a good job leveling the field.
Feb 4, 2010
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#15
Maybe it's just me, but I find Chessmaster just bizarre. It will hang a piece, and then suddenly turn around, and launch into an ultrasharp ultra-accurate mating attack. The level fluctuates so wildly from move to move that it isn't really much like playing a human. It is tactically strong, but strategically weak from the lowest levels all the way up.
If you know how to set the uci_elo parameter, you should be able to dumb down Shredder, Rybka or Hiarcs to more modest levels. Fritz is actually a complete puppy at lower levels, and Junior, Sjeng and Tornado all can be set to play quite weakly indeed.
If you know how to set the uci_elo parameter, you should be able to dumb down Shredder, Rybka or Hiarcs to more modest levels. Fritz is actually a complete puppy at lower levels, and Junior, Sjeng and Tornado all can be set to play quite weakly indeed.
rigamagician wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I find Chessmaster just bizarre. It will hang a piece, and then suddenly turn around, and launch into an ultrasharp ultra-accurate mating attack. The level fluctuates so wildly from move to move that it isn't really much like playing a human. It is tactically strong, but strategically weak from the lowest levels all the way up.
If you know how to set the uci_elo parameter, you should be able to dumb down Shredder, Rybka or Hiarcs to more modest levels. Fritz is actually a complete puppy at lower levels, and Junior, Sjeng and Tornado all can be set to play quite weakly indeed.
Well I suppose our opinions reflect our levels of play- a complete puppy for you is a ferocious monster to me so in a sense we may both be right in our views. Such is the nature of chess- abstract and undefined.
Feb 4, 2010
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#17
I find Chessmaster to be a ferocious monster at many of the lower levels. Here is Shredder 12 set for an elo of 1283.
rigamagician wrote:
I find Chessmaster to be a ferocious monster at many of the lower levels. Here is Shredder 12 set for an elo of 1283.
Hanging the queen is not a 1283 move, that's my problem with programs trying to be human. Strong play with some really bad blunders in the mix. no human plays like that.
GENERAL:
shredder classic : we can change strength(elo) and playing style
ANALYSING:
shredder classic: very good for move by move analysing, many engines can be used simultaneusly
another good option is fritz as it tries to explain moves as verbal
OPENINGS:
still looking for...
MIDDLEGAMES:
still looking for... however books study and strategy concept matters a lot in middlegame
ENDGAMES:
chessimo : however selfpractice and studying endgames studies matters a lot
TACTICS:
chessimo: due to very detailed and 6 part training in tactics . However solving tactics on sites is also useful.
STRATEGY:
chessimo: due to very clear concept as comment provided. However studying masters game is recommended
DATABASE:
I dont know why to use it. I have use this tools rarely just to find out some patterns or position from mastersgames collection
Well i used SCID. It is very good
ENGINES:
spike: very fast and with contempt 200 can go for very high tactical game
togga: stable game
thinker: always ready to sacrifice for initiative
shredder kamikaze: sacrifice material first to gain it later giving game a beautyfull look
TELL ABOUT THE SOFTWARES THAT YOU USE AND WHY YOU PREFER THAT.
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