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The future of computer Chess


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #1

    firecow

    How long do you think it will be until computers can solve chess? It is unrealistic for them to solve it today, but considering how far they have come do you think chess will ever be like this...  Futurama Robot Chess

    When chess does get solved do you think that will ruin it as a game for humans?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #2

    Garymossu

    Somebody please explain that chess cannot be solved!

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #3

    TheGrobe

    Even remembering that if Moore's law continues to hold there should be a doubling in computational capabilities every 18 months, I don't think it's something we'll see in the next 50 years -- possibly in any of our lifetimes.

    If and when it is solved, it will not ruin it for humans.  There's simply no way we'll be able to play at the level of computers (this is already a reality), so human vs. human play will continue to be as asthetically elegant and inspiring as ever.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #4

    RainbowRising

    Im not so sure. Why can't it be solved? If you had a computer powerful enough to look at EVERY variation and EVERY move, why can't it be solved?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #5

    emschorsch

    Because to look at every variation is simply impossible. After the First move for each side there are 400 possibilities. Some games stretch out for hundreds of moves the possibilities in those games probably exceed 10^1000 power. This is why computers don't analyze every possibility but try to mimic the thinking process of humans and spend effort analyzing only those moves that look interesting or worth playing. Naturally do to Moore's law mentioned above computers will continually get better due to more computing power but they can never solve the game (however, Moore's law might have hit a roadblock: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/22/counting-down-to-the-end-of-moores-law/).

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #6

    mschosting

    I still remember good old days were I would beat my PC in that beautiful Combat CHess game running on my 386! Now is big brother fritz as is revenge Cry

    Chess is quite solved already but still needs study and not even Kasparov as enough memory to remember all the lines ;)

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #7

    bomtrown

    Checkers was found to be a draw with best play.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=computers-solve-checkers-its-a-draw 

    Top players say that chess is a draw with best play, but there's no computer evidence to back that up right now.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #8

    emschorsch

    I should hope that chess is a draw with best play otherwise that means one side has an inherent advantage.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #9

    TheGrobe

    emschorsch wrote:

    Because to look at every variation is simply impossible. After the First move for each side there are 400 possibilities. Some games stretch out for hundreds of moves the possibilities in those games probably exceed 10^1000 power. This is why computers don't analyze every possibility but try to mimic the thinking process of humans and spend effort analyzing only those moves that look interesting or worth playing. Naturally do to Moore's law mentioned above computers will continually get better due to more computing power but they can never solve the game (however, Moore's law might have hit a roadblock: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/22/counting-down-to-the-end-of-moores-law/).


    While I do agree that there are fundamental physical limits to Moore's law with current CPU architectures, that article is very specifically focused on solid-state storage devices.

    We may find that while classical CPU architectures are likely to quickly hit a similar wall, new innovations such as quantum computing, for example, will allow us to continue increasing our computational capabilities in line with our current trajectory.

    Only time will tell.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #10

    AnthonyCG

    Chess will be solved just before the U.S.S Enterprise takes off :)

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #11

    itzdavey

    Solved?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #12

    Nelso_125

    Solved? A game of good ol' Tic Tac Toe with computers playing would end in a draw. Why? Because there is no secret. It's the same with chess.

    Maybe...

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #13

    N8H

    I'm sure that with two powerful computers playing a game, most times there would be a draw; however, I doubt anyone short of savant ability would ever be able to remember enough of the outcomes to really do any better than some of the best players now.  How many people do you know that could remember even a few thousand COMPLETE variations?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #14

    Niven42

    I don't usually like to copy-n-paste an entire article from Wikipedia, but I really like the one on the Shannon Number.  It's relevant to our discussion, and is worth reading:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_number

     

    Basically, Chess is "solvable", but it's unlikely to happen during our (or anyone's) lifetimes.  That is not to say that we couldn't have a leap in computing design in the near future, which would turn our current convictions, on what computers are able to do, on their heads.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #15

    N8H

    We could all get cybernetic implants in the near future, right? To assist us with these types of dilemmas.  Joking, of course.  That would ruin it for sure.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #16

    Nabeal

    Chess itself may not be solved but my opponents (in many many games) have solved games exceptionally well Wink. I think I would rather concentrate to solve my current games. lol.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #17

    arthurdavidbert

    I enjoy playing with my NY22 chess computer ($30.57) and I enjoy playing with people. Either way I'm learning and having fun.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #18

    bondiggity

    If in the future quantum computers with many qubits become a reality, chess will be solved. 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #19

    TheGrobe

    I agree, with extra emphasis on the if.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #20

    buenotc

    chess solved?? is this real??


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