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What does the "N" mean ? and the "cross" ?


  • 10 months ago · Quote · #41

    idreesarif

    RomyGer wrote:

    My question to idreesarif, post 32 : this might be a language problem, but I do not understand your question : " what is the word ? " , please explain !

    Further : what is that ChessBase article ?   And what is the relation with the Women's Championship ?

    My text in post 31 is just mine, as you can see.

    Sir,

    you said

    "" that a certain letter "N" was used to describe the attack to the queen.  ( ... use your imagination to find out for which word the "N" is the abbreviation ... ) ""

    this is what I was asking, what word ?

     

    Secondly,

    you said that N could be some old symbol to show an attack on the queen ..... if you look at post 1, there is a link given to a game (yifan - ushenina from the Ladies Title Match a few days back ---- a screenshot is also there) - if N was an old symbol it wouldn't feature in a chessbase article of September 2013 .... you can see 16. Qb3 dxc4!?N - it has also been highlighted in the screenshot given in Post #1

    I hope that clarifies the confusions !

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #42

    Ziryab

    TetsuoShima wrote:
    Scottrf wrote:
    TetsuoShima wrote:

    Ok theoretisch novelty Would make more sense, but a 5th move novelty i believe is impossible.

    From 400 years of master Play and recorded games, even against total patzers i believe its nearly imposdible for a 5th move novelty. Especially considering there has to be something good so its even less likely.....

    It's the same thing.

    Go to the mainline Ruy Lopez. 5...h5 would be a novelty. Mainline Sicilian, 5...h5 would be a novelty.

    so you really want to tell me that in the entire history of recorded games this move never has been played??

    There are 382 million possible positions after the fifth move. Yes, there are positions that have never appeared before human eyes.

    N means novelty and generally refers only to games between substantive players. There is some variability in use. An N can appear in Chess Informant for a move that has not previously appeared in Chess Informant, even though it was played by some amateur in a simul.

    Most novelties are errors, especially novelties played by weak players (most of us). 

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #43

    Estragon

    N = Novelty which was in the earlier days of the Chess Informant system (publishers of ECO and the codes for it) set as TN for Theoretical Novelty, an opening move not seen before in known master practice.

     

    The dagger symbol was used for check in some early to mid 20th Century publications, but gave way to "+" instead, which is now standard.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #44

    RomyGer

    @ idreesarif, post 41 : thank you so much for your answers !  My post-text was apparently written too fast, without checking afterwards... and I nota bene said that I did not re-play the given games yet, so I did not see what you now told me !

    By the way : I have said that I could imagine that a certain letter was used, so not specifically the letter N, but this is my language-problem.

    And forget my remark about a word beginning with an N, no good remark!

    But now something better : I have found the following in The Oxford Companion to Chess , I quote :

    In the San Francisco 1987 tournament the game Miles - Christiansen began 1 e4 e5  2 Nf3 Nf6  3 Nxe5 d6  4 Nf3 Nxe4  5 Nc3 Bf5  6 Nxe4 Bxe4  7 d3 and was drawn on move 20.     The game was published, with 5 ... Bf5 indicated as a TN.

    At Biel 1988 Anand played it against Zapata, who replied with 6 Qe2 and Anand resigned.  This is one of the quickest losses by a Grandmaster, notable because he did not play a single move of his own.   The players in the earlier game had not overlooked this decisive reply, but their game was an agreed draw and the moves they played were merely to observe formalities.   Unquote.

    Well, perhaps a further step in the N vs TN story, it is up to better players as I am to judge the  5 ... Bf5 TN ,  

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #45

    idreesarif

    so it means a theoretical novelty can even be a bad move .....

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #46

    Pokemoners123

    N means Neverplayed

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #47

    Ziryab

    idreesarif wrote:

    so it means a theoretical novelty can even be a bad move .....

    Yes. In Chess Informant, you will find the N (theoretical novelty) in nearly every game. These range from brilliant moves to outrageous blunders. Of the good ones, a panel votes on the best of each issue. The top theoretical novelty is then republished, often with additional commentary, in the next issue.


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