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Three fold repetition rule


  • 17 months ago · Quote · #61

    LongIslandMark

    I've had second thoughts about adding a "claim draw" button on the screen. I posted it was unneeded. I've given that a second thought and now think it might be useful if you were trying to claim a draw for three-fold repetition, but didn't want to annoy your opponent with a lot of "refuse draw" responses. This can happen in a long useless game where it really is hard to remember all the previous 40 positions that might have been duplicated. It would just always be there and never change color or shape to indicate you had a three-fold repetition.

    What it would help is if the opponent has to take time to do the "refuse draw". 

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #62

    aearsley

    Because the opponent doesn't have to take the time to click it.  They can ignore it.  This would just be an unnecessary button.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #63

    MJDD

    k_kostov wrote:

    I guess chess.com assumes people who use the site to play chess have already been acquainted with game rules prior to starting a game. Moreover, there is a page on the site about rules and basics available for everyone interested to study them: http://www.chess.com/learn-how-to-play-chess. There is even a separate page about how to claim a draw: http://support.chess.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/40/0/how-do-i-claim-a-draw.

    The information is out there to read. I don't think that's difficult, obscured, etc. After all, during the game there are no hints for forced mates for example, why should there be hints for drawing? Don't blame the site, it's not their fault.

    I agree.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #64

    xxPrincess_Beckyxx

    Hi, I have just read through this thread and am still rather unclear on this rule.  I have reached the same position three times in an Online Chess game but have been unable to claim a draw by three-fold repetition. I have tried clicking on the draw button which has only sent a draw offer to my opponent which he has to agree to, whereas in Live Chess the draw is claimed automatically. 

    Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #65

    Scottrf

    xxPrincess_Beckyxx wrote:

    Hi, I have just read through this thread and am still rather unclear on this rule.  I have reached the same position three times in an Online Chess game but have been unable to claim a draw by three-fold repetition. I have tried clicking on the draw button which has only sent a draw offer to my opponent which he has to agree to.  In Live Chess, the draw is claimed automatically.  Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance.

    Can you please link the game.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #66

    xxPrincess_Beckyxx

    Thanks for the response here is the game, it is still in progress though so wasn't sure if I would be allowed to post it.
  • 5 months ago · Quote · #67

    Scottrf

    That is strange. When I've had it, the button has changed to 'claim draw'. You still don't get that now?

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #68

    xxPrincess_Beckyxx

    No, there's no draw button there now just a message saying that I have a pending draw offer. Before I pressed the button it just said "offer draw" although it wasn't my turn to move if that makes any difference?

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #69

    Scottrf

    No, this would only allow you to claim the draw after you moved anyway because the software requires it to actually appear on the board unlike OTB where you'd claim in advance of your move.

    Looks like a bug.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #70

    xxPrincess_Beckyxx

    Yes that's what I thought, if my opponent doesn't agree to a draw and the same position happens again I'll report it as a bug then and see what they say.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #71

    RG1951

    LongIslandMark wrote:

    It could also be a system performance issue. To make the button say "claim a draw" if there was a three-fold repetition, say after black move 40, the server would have to compare 80 board positions and do that before it presented the opponents move to you so you would know you could claim the draw. Multiple that by the number of live games going on at once.

    As it is now, it only has to check all the previous board positions when you click the "draw" button.

    I do like the automatic checkmate. Otherwise the server would have to allow illegal moves. Similar would be when your opponent castles but was not leagally alowed to, moves a piece to the wrong square, etc. That would just be crazy, with folks making ilegal moves hoping you don't notice. 

            If I remember correctly, in online chess on this site, the "offer draw" click-on changes to "claim draw" when three fold repetition occurs.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #72

    Irontiger

    xxPrincess_Beckyxx wrote:
    Thanks for the response here is the game, it is still in progress though so wasn't sure if I would be allowed to post it.
     

    The repetition occurs after move 45 is played. Are you sure you offered the draw after having played it ?

    EDIT : of course you ought be able to claim it now. I am offering a technical explanation as to why it's impossible, not a moral one.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #73

    LongIslandMark

    RG1951 wrote:
    LongIslandMark wrote:

    [...]

            If I remember correctly, in online chess on this site, the "offer draw" click-on changes to "claim draw" when three fold repetition occurs.

    I can't say I've noticed that. Not arguing - scottrf says it does.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #74

    RG1951

    LongIslandMark wrote:
    RG1951 wrote:
    LongIslandMark wrote:

    [...]

            If I remember correctly, in online chess on this site, the "offer draw" click-on changes to "claim draw" when three fold repetition occurs.

    I can't say I've noticed that. Not arguing - scottrf says it does.

            I could swear I've taken advantage of this once before.


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