Can you force instant resignation?

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21st December 2008, 05:18pm
#1
by Torkil
Germany
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I admit that White will win this game with almost every move, but the given position contains a tacical blow which resulted in Black's immediate resignation. I am happy to have found it in a 3 min blitz game; which move was it?

21st December 2008, 05:29pm
#2
by checkmayte
okla. United States
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Very Nice, Thanx.

21st December 2008, 05:30pm
#3
by Mm40
Essex County, New Jersey United States
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Nice. It's so cool when queen sacs actually work out. Usually when I do it, I fail miserably and lose the game.

22nd December 2008, 01:35am
#4
by PerfectGent
St Andrews Scotland
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good exercise in basic mating techiques

22nd December 2008, 01:38am
#5
by FICSpoopypants
Seattle, WA United States
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Those rooks sure do love that 7th rank! Cool

22nd December 2008, 01:40am
#6
by corum
Leeds England
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Member Points: 349

nice, by the way though, I wouldn't class that as a sacrifice of the queen. It's hardly a sacrifice when if the opponent accepts your offer you have forced mate in two or three. I would just see that as a combination.

23rd December 2008, 09:56am
#7
by darkziod
Abaco Bahamas
Member Since: Jun 2008
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yep it was clearly a win-win sitaution for white,black should have considered g4 to sacrifice queens and try to push some kind of a drawn later in the game

23rd December 2008, 01:48pm
#8
by dmeng
Knoxville, TN United States
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swestland wrote:

nice, by the way though, I wouldn't class that as a sacrifice of the queen. It's hardly a sacrifice when if the opponent accepts your offer you have forced mate in two or three. I would just see that as a combination.


You do realize that White still has a forced mate if Black declines, right? [See Torkii's post]

While I can see why you wouldn't call that a sacrifice, it still is considered one. At least imo, it's "only" a combination if White gets the material back, and it's a sacrifice if White gets a forced mate or "immaterial" compensation.

25th December 2008, 03:48pm
#9
by Torkil
Germany
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Thank you everyone for your comments, especially dmeng!

Yes, it's definitely a sacrifice. I think the difference swestland means is the one between this sac which directly ends the game and the more intuitive or positional one, where you get some compensation like a heavy attack for instance, but the game still goes on. Still both types are genuine sacrifices.

About declining the sac with 1...Rf7 (or 1...Qg2+ and 2...Rf7): I think White's quickest win in this case is (1...Rf7) 2.Rxf7 gxh5 3.Rc8 f4 4.Ra8+ Qc8 5.Rac8#  Of course, instead of the Qc8 maneuvre, Black can give some pointless check instead, the number of moves remains the same...

29th December 2008, 06:09am
#10
by donngerard
Cebu Philippines
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a worthy sacrifice

30th December 2008, 07:25am
#11
by turbine506
Muntinlupa Philippines
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good puzzle ,thanks

30th December 2008, 07:31am
#12
by vsarun
manama India
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nice

30th December 2008, 07:44am
#13
by Dmytro
Kiev Ukraine
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Very very simple. Only notice a defender and a defender killer and that's all!

31st January 2009, 07:10pm
#14
by Tiger-13
Sydney Australia
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that was 222 easy! nice puzzle

2nd April 2009, 02:53pm
#15
by Kasparov_1989
lobya Palestine
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 212

Really nice one Torkil.....one might see this sacrifice in a long game...but to see it in a blitz, now that is impressive...keep up the good work

2nd April 2009, 03:05pm
#16
by mosqutip
Hudson United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 338

Gotta love the queen sac. I saw it instantly, but the question is whether or not I could set it up in an actual game. Well played.

2nd April 2009, 03:14pm
#17
by corum
Leeds England
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Member Points: 349
dmeng wrote:
swestland wrote:

nice, by the way though, I wouldn't class that as a sacrifice of the queen. It's hardly a sacrifice when if the opponent accepts your offer you have forced mate in two or three. I would just see that as a combination.


You do realize that White still has a forced mate if Black declines, right? [See Torkii's post]

While I can see why you wouldn't call that a sacrifice, it still is considered one. At least imo, it's "only" a combination if White gets the material back, and it's a sacrifice if White gets a forced mate or "immaterial" compensation.


 That there is a mate even if black declines the offer of the queen strengthens my argument that it is not a sacrifice. I am using Silman's definitions by the way (from his 1993 edition of How to reassess your chess). Silman defines a sacrifice as:

"The voluntary exchange of material for the purpose of obtaining a more favourable advantage than the material investment. Unlike a combination, a sacrifice is not a cut and dried affair, and there is usually an element of uncertainty associated with it." (Silman, 1993)

There is no uncertainty here. If black accepts the "sacrifice" he is mated; even if he declines he is mated!!

It's still a great spot though - especially in a blitz game.

2nd April 2009, 03:39pm
#18
by bigfish
E,M,T,Ontario Canada
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nice and easy

2nd April 2009, 04:18pm
#19
by forkypinner
Phelan United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 130

geez, i cant even spot mate in one with those time controls 

 

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